Negate Super Powers vs. Multiple Lives

[Tor]

I believe so... but I would necessitate that you would need to use it continually until the time limit for body reformation ran out, and that using it only prevented the life essence from reforming the body, not that using NSA would instantly make the essence discorporate or something, just to give a fighting chance.

[Tinker Dragoon]

I would say yes. In fact, you don't even need to know the superbeing has a particular power to negate it; all super abilities possessed by the target (or by superbeings inside the target area, if using the "blanket" effect) are negated.

However, I would argue that the instant decomposition effect is also negated, so the multi-lived character can still be revived by medicine or magic. Once the negation ends, all aspects of the Multiple Lives ability would resume (body turning to dust, regenerating in seclusion), so, really, the only way you could permanently kill a character with this tactic is to completely disintegrate the corpse.

[Tor]

Would disintegrating the corpse actually destroy the intangible life essence though?

[Tinker Dragoon]

I don't think it destroys the energy essence, so much as it prevents the essence from separating from the physical body.

[Reagren Wright]

I'd say the person would be dead (however) they died. Now you'd have to stand there from that moment on making sure the
corpse stayed dead. The disintegration comes about from the power. You have no powers and since normal people don't
disintegrate when they die, you don't have to worry about that effect happening. Now the question should be (not that I want
to start a major argument with anyone's faith) what happens to your essence. Is your essence "tricked" into joining the great
departed, do you become a ghost, or does nothing happen. I guess it depends on the interpretation of the source of the super
power. If you're saying it something to do with the body, then the body is negated into being dead, how then is the super
power connect with one's life essence. If you believe the power is mental based, and your releasing some kind of astral, etheric,
or spirit body, then it might be tricked into losing contact with its earthly body or maybe its trapped in the corpse. This is one
of those fascinating discussions I enjoy talking about when your trying to apply logic, imagination, science, reality, and of
course personnel opinion when talking about the world of super powers. It something you and your G.M. can discuss (not during
game play please). But please don't use Marvel, DC, or any other comic book as the definitive guideline.

[MADMANMIKE]

For the sake of argument, I would say no. If the power states that the process of regeneration begins with the body turning to dust, then staying close to the corpse would only prolong the process; A body would turn to dust eventually.. and then the process would begin anew. Of course as the power descriptions states, if you're using Negate Super Abilities and then disintegrate the corpse, dead is dead.

Now I'm curious what would happen if you used the power on the body while embalming it...

[say652]

If you had a means of tracking the essence then of course. Remember the essebce can travel up to onw hundred miles before reforming.

[Stone Gargoyle]

I would think that the power would be delayed but not fully negated, allowing the character to come back once the enemy using the power negation got out of range. Even if the body is destroyed, the power may be extradimensional in nature, providing a new body once the power kicks in. If you stated as part of the character creation process that the power was linked to the body, however, destroying the body would make it impossible for the character to come back. It is one of those things that should be discussed with the GM when making the character.

[Regularguy]

If you had a means of tracking the essence then of course. Remember the essebce can travel up to onw hundred miles before reforming.

How far can it travel while the power is being negated?

[drewkitty ~..~]

*after trying to find it....*
I am not sure where it is found, but it is my understanding that if the power is a "Natural Ability" of the Race it could not be negated.

[eliakon]

*after trying to find it....*
I am not sure where it is found, but it is my understanding that if the power is a "Natural Ability" of the Race it could not be negated.

Yerp HU2 pg. 95 roll 11-40 "These abilities are natural parts of the creatures biology.....and not affected by the Negate Super Powers ability."

[Tor]

as the power descriptions states, if you're using Negate Super Abilities and then disintegrate the corpse, dead is dead.

Why would disintegration prevent the power from turning the remains to dust once the negation ended?

[MADMANMIKE]

as the power descriptions states, if you're using Negate Super Abilities and then disintegrate the corpse, dead is dead.

Why would disintegration prevent the power from turning the remains to dust once the negation ended?

I didn't write it, ask Kevin.

[Tinker Dragoon]

Disintegration leaves no remains.

[eliakon]

Disintegration leaves no remains.

So? It doesn't affect the 'life force'.
But the simple answer here is probably the same one your going to get with a lot of stuff. "That's a good question, to bad the rules are so unclear as to not provide a definite answer. Why don't you talk to your GM and see how he envisions Super Powers, Life Forces, Disinigrations, and the like in his campaign."

[Tinker Dragoon]

It is specifically stated in the Multiple Lives description that complete disintegration prevents the body from reforming.

One could argue that the energy essence is the superbeing's true form and is therefore inherently separate from the physical body -- in fact, this may be the case for some Alien, Immortal, and Gestalt characters -- but by default, it is assumed to be a direct manifestation of the Multiple Lives power. That is, when the character dies, the power is activated, simultaneously creating and projecting the energy essence to a distant location to regenerate. Disintegration prevents this, presumably because there's nothing left of the character to actually manifest the power.

[Iczer]

I'd let him die.

It's a lot of work to set it up, so I'm inclined to let it work.

If it were a player doing it, I'd be concerned as to what sort of Psycho he may be, or what sort of psycho the enemy is. If it were a villain doing this, I'd let it not-so-subtly slip that this was a possibility so that the PC's have fighting chance.

Either way, I'd let it be fatal.

Batts

[Tor]

Disintegration leaves no remains.

I disagree with that. It only makes it no longer integrated. It means to break into small parts.

It is specifically stated in the Multiple Lives description that complete disintegration prevents the body from reforming.

I don't think it says 'complete'. Rather it says 'as long as the body is not disintegrated'.

Which is a pretty vague statement because... it works if you're dismembered... but dismemberment is basically a form of disintegration, just not the common meaning since you're in large chunks and not small chunks.

It's not clear how small a chunk qualifies as enough disintegrating to prevent the power...

Which is confusing since... turning to dust is a form of disintegrating too... so maybe the particles you're chopped into just have to be larger than dust particles?

IE can't be broken down into atomic components since that's smaller than dust?