Pick y'er dragon!

Mack · Unread post by **Mack** » Wed May 11, 2011 7:35 pm

In the spirit of tossing up a completely pointless poll, suppose you arrive for your regularly schedule game of Rifts and the GM says: "Today you're playing a dragon hatchling. Pick one. We start in 5 mins."

Which RUE hatchling would you grab?

Grell · Unread post by **Grell** » Wed May 11, 2011 8:16 pm

I picked the Whip Tail for one reason above all others. It's the only dragon in RUE that can regenerate lost limbs or it's tail.

'Nuff said.

Anthar · Unread post by **Anthar** » Wed May 11, 2011 8:24 pm

Great Horned Dragon, I'm old school.

Mack · Unread post by **Mack** » Wed May 11, 2011 8:30 pm

Grell wrote:I picked the Whip Tail for one reason above all others. It's the only dragon in RUE that can regenerate lost limbs or it's tail.

'Nuff said.

I see where you get that, but I've never interpreted it that way. I read it as they're the only RUE dragon that can regenerate a limb in 1D4 hours. The others have to wait for their standard regeneration to replace the limb.

Grell · Unread post by **Grell** » Wed May 11, 2011 8:31 pm

Mack wrote:In the spirit of tossing up a completely pointless poll, suppose you arrive for your regularly schedule game of Rifts and the GM says: "Today you're playing a dragon hatchling. Pick one. We start in 5 mins."

Which RUE hatchling would you grab?

But more importantly when are you running this game and can I play?

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Wed May 11, 2011 8:58 pm

Whip-tail---It's a good balance of regeneration, teleport skill, and environmental survival. Its breath weapon is also a general damage type that doesn't rely on the victim(s) either making eye contact or breathing it in.

drewkitty ~..~ · Wed May 11, 2011 9:24 pm

Out of all the dragons My fav for use as a char is he Ice Dragon.

Grell · Unread post by **Grell** » Wed May 11, 2011 9:35 pm

Mack wrote:
Grell wrote:I picked the Whip Tail for one reason above all others. It's the only dragon in RUE that can regenerate lost limbs or it's tail.

'Nuff said.

I see where you get that, but I've never interpreted it that way. I read it as they're the only RUE dragon that can regenerate a limb in 1D4 hours. The others have to wait for their standard regeneration to replace the limb.

I always thought it was a neat balance mechanism. For example, the great starting power of the Royal Frilled Dragon is tempered by the fact it must carefully consider its physical body and loss of limb, as most other beings do. But my default ruling is that unless stated otherwise, limb regeneration is not a given part of bio regeneration.

Mack · Unread post by **Mack** » Wed May 11, 2011 9:40 pm

Grell wrote:
Mack wrote:
Grell wrote:I picked the Whip Tail for one reason above all others. It's the only dragon in RUE that can regenerate lost limbs or it's tail.

'Nuff said.

I see where you get that, but I've never interpreted it that way. I read it as they're the only RUE dragon that can regenerate a limb in 1D4 hours. The others have to wait for their standard regeneration to replace the limb.

I always thought it was a neat balance mechanism. For example, the great starting power of the Royal Frilled Dragon is tempered by the fact it must carefully consider its physical body and loss of limb, as most other beings do. But my default ruling is that unless stated otherwise, limb regeneration is not a given part of bio regeneration.

But how do you coincide that with the no-bionics rule on page 158? If limb loss were permanent, then a dragon could get a bionic replacement.

Grell · Unread post by **Grell** » Wed May 11, 2011 9:44 pm

That becomes a unique challenge for the character to overcome. Plus I've considered possibilities in TW prosthetics to aid in recovery for grossly maimed supernatural and magic creatures.

Giant2005 · Unread post by **Giant2005** » Thu May 12, 2011 4:38 am

Well since the GM never actually said it had to come from the RUE, I'd go with a Chiang Ku.

The Dark Elf · Unread post by **The Dark Elf** » Thu May 12, 2011 4:41 am

Anthar wrote:Great Horned Dragon, I'm old school.

TechnoGothic · Unread post by **TechnoGothic** » Thu May 12, 2011 6:03 am

Giant2005 wrote:Well since the GM never actually said it had to come from the RUE, I'd go with a Chiang Ku.

You failed your Litercy Roll Giant ... :lol:

Mack wrote:In the spirit of tossing up a completely pointless poll, suppose you arrive for your regularly schedule game of Rifts and the GM says: "Today you're playing a dragon hatchling. Pick one. We start in 5 mins."

Which RUE hatchling would you grab?

RUE is the key...

Out RUE, FLAME WIND of course. I played one one and i enjoyed it.
BTW, All dragon's regenerate limbs. But it takes time.

Non-rue Dragon, I am a fan of the Chaing-Ku's Appearance, the Crystal Dragon's appearance and abilities, and the Cloud Dragon from Japan in general.

Giant2005 · Unread post by **Giant2005** » Thu May 12, 2011 6:13 am

The RUE part wasn't mentioned in the quotation marks so it wasn't something the GM said, it was just something he added when he mentioned the conversation to us

cl7277 · Unread post by **cl7277** » Thu May 12, 2011 11:40 am

I'd pick the cat eye dragon personal. But only having 5mins. to get ready to play you must be mad. I can't handle the pressure! Only 5mins. It just can't be done. What would my skills be? How do I get my skill %'s. What is my equipment going to be. AND NOW YOU WANT ME TO PICK OUT SPELLS TOO!!! AND NOW YOUR TELLING ME ABOUT NATURAL ABLITIES TOO THE HUMANTY!!!

DhAkael · Unread post by **DhAkael** » Thu May 12, 2011 11:49 am

Toss the R:UE, olde skool roolz!
Great Horned all dah way, hummi!

Mack · Unread post by **Mack** » Thu May 12, 2011 12:48 pm

cl7277 wrote:I'd pick the cat eye dragon personal. But only having 5mins. to get ready to play you must be mad. I can't handle the pressure! Only 5mins. It just can't be done. What would my skills be? How do I get my skill %'s. What is my equipment going to be. AND NOW YOU WANT ME TO PICK OUT SPELLS TOO!!! AND NOW YOUR TELLING ME ABOUT NATURAL ABLITIES TOO THE HUMANTY!!!

Drama queens get 10 mins.

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Thu May 12, 2011 2:33 pm

DhAkael wrote:Toss the R:UE, olde skool roolz!
Great Horned all dah way, hummi!

Great ANCIENT Royal Horned Dragon...(ominous thunder)

The Baron of chaos · Thu May 12, 2011 5:35 pm

taalismn wrote:
DhAkael wrote:Toss the R:UE, olde skool roolz!
Great Horned all dah way, hummi!

Great ANCIENT Royal Horned Dragon...(ominous thunder)

Everyone istantly expelled bricks from their back. And then run like hell in opposite direction.

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Thu May 12, 2011 5:57 pm

The Baron of chaos wrote:
taalismn wrote:
DhAkael wrote:Toss the R:UE, olde skool roolz!
Great Horned all dah way, hummi!

Great ANCIENT Royal Horned Dragon...(ominous thunder)

Everyone istantly expelled bricks from their back. And then run like hell in opposite direction.

" Needs must change pants, most assuredly, please!"

Grell · Unread post by **Grell** » Thu May 12, 2011 6:03 pm

* stays behind and builds a fort to bide in with all those bricks *

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Thu May 12, 2011 6:25 pm

Grell wrote:* stays behind and builds a fort to bide in with all those bricks *

You DO know buffalo chip bricks are used for FUEL, don't you?
They BURN.

Grell · Unread post by **Grell** » Thu May 12, 2011 6:45 pm

Every master plan has a fatal flaw!

TechnoGothic · Unread post by **TechnoGothic** » Fri May 13, 2011 7:46 am

Mack wrote:
cl7277 wrote:I'd pick the cat eye dragon personal. But only having 5mins. to get ready to play you must be mad. I can't handle the pressure! Only 5mins. It just can't be done. What would my skills be? How do I get my skill %'s. What is my equipment going to be. AND NOW YOU WANT ME TO PICK OUT SPELLS TOO!!! AND NOW YOUR TELLING ME ABOUT NATURAL ABLITIES TOO THE HUMANTY!!!

Drama queens get 10 mins.

But...the Drama queens waste 8 of those minutes talking about not having enough time. :lol:

Hystrix · Unread post by **Hystrix** » Fri May 13, 2011 7:57 am

Mack wrote:In the spirit of tossing up a completely pointless poll, suppose you arrive for your regularly schedule game of Rifts and the GM says: "Today you're playing a dragon hatchling. Pick one. We start in 5 mins."

Which RUE hatchling would you grab?

SPAMMER!

lol j/k

No, I picked the Cat's Eye. A dragon is a dragon IMO. They all have spells...and natural abilities and... uh...some other third thing. Cat's Eye seems to have personality. Maybe it's there comparison to house cats. I like cats...

Mack · Unread post by **Mack** » Fri May 13, 2011 2:54 pm

I went with the Royal Frilled myself, but that's because I have a weakness for Psionics. Also, given how pitiful a dragon's skill selection is, and that it starts with no spells, I would want a few more abilities to work with.

(The skill thing bugs me. Yea, I know it's a balance issue and I generally endorse those. But we're talking about a creature with a average IQ of 16 having a total of eleven skills by level 6.)

TechnoGothic · Unread post by **TechnoGothic** » Fri May 13, 2011 3:17 pm

The Flame Wind's Flameing thing is cool.

Shades of Eternity · Fri May 13, 2011 5:21 pm

Mack wrote:
cl7277 wrote:I'd pick the cat eye dragon personal. But only having 5mins. to get ready to play you must be mad. I can't handle the pressure! Only 5mins. It just can't be done. What would my skills be? How do I get my skill %'s. What is my equipment going to be. AND NOW YOU WANT ME TO PICK OUT SPELLS TOO!!! AND NOW YOUR TELLING ME ABOUT NATURAL ABLITIES TOO THE HUMANTY!!!

Drama queens get 10 mins.

...and a llama.

from your choices : cat's eyes.

from megaversal dragonkind anywhere: ultucan...you'd be surprised how effective singing is against armored targets?

Hystrix · Unread post by **Hystrix** » Fri May 13, 2011 11:50 pm

Mack wrote:I went with the Royal Frilled myself, but that's because I have a weakness for Psionics. Also, given how pitiful a dragon's skill selection is, and that it starts with no spells, I would want a few more abilities to work with.

(The skill thing bugs me. Yea, I know it's a balance issue and I generally endorse those. But we're talking about a creature with a average IQ of 16 having a total of eleven skills by level 6.)

I always thought it was more than just balence. Most supernatural creaters (even the smart ones) have few skills, but lotsa natural abilities. Just look at Demons and Deevils...

Grell · Unread post by **Grell** » Sun May 15, 2011 11:36 am

Actually as per the Hades and Dyval books, demons and deevils have a lot more skills to work with. I second Mack's opinion, dragon skills suck.

Hystrix · Unread post by **Hystrix** » Mon May 16, 2011 11:14 am

Grell wrote:Actually as per the Hades and Dyval books, demons and deevils have a lot more skills to work with. I second Mack's opinion, dragon skills suck.

More is a relitive term. They still have far less than most human (or most mortal) OCCs.

Dragons have so many other advantages.

crazy high attributes (check x8)
Supernatural Strength (check)
High MDC (even as a baby - check)
Magic (check)
Psionics (check)
Metemophosis (check)
Bio-Regeneration (check)
Teleport (check)
Flight (check)

Many other Demons/Deevils/ greater supernatursal creaturs have magic OR psionics. Not both, or if they do, they are really weak in one or the other. Not every supernatual creature has all these abilities combined. But the dragon does.

TechnoGothic · Mon May 16, 2011 11:53 am

Remember the Average HATCHLING DRAGON is not that old to possess alot of skills.
At most they are what ?? 36 days old or something ??

Hystrix · Unread post by **Hystrix** » Mon May 16, 2011 1:15 pm

TechnoGothic wrote:Remember the Average HATCHLING DRAGON is not that old to possess alot of skills.
At most they are what ?? 36 days old or something ??

48 (8d6 days is the oldest starting age for a PC). But, yeah, what he said.

Grell · Unread post by **Grell** » Mon May 16, 2011 3:59 pm

frogboy wrote:
Grell wrote:That becomes a unique challenge for the character to overcome. Plus I've considered possibilities in TW prosthetics to aid in recovery for grossly maimed supernatural and magic creatures.

Somebody did a cool write up on some clock work bionic limbs. You could probably find it with a search.

I've actually got some prototypes that needed to be play tested, but my supernatural type PC's tend to be maim-proof as of late.

Mack · Unread post by **Mack** » Mon May 16, 2011 6:07 pm

Hystrix wrote:
TechnoGothic wrote:Remember the Average HATCHLING DRAGON is not that old to possess alot of skills.
At most they are what ?? 36 days old or something ??

48 (8d6 days is the oldest starting age for a PC). But, yeah, what he said.

Which is why I said at level six they only have eleven skills. You'd think that a race of geniuses would learn faster than that.

Hystrix · Unread post by **Hystrix** » Mon May 16, 2011 8:50 pm

Mack wrote:
Hystrix wrote:
TechnoGothic wrote:Remember the Average HATCHLING DRAGON is not that old to possess alot of skills.
At most they are what ?? 36 days old or something ??

48 (8d6 days is the oldest starting age for a PC). But, yeah, what he said.

Which is why I said at level six they only have eleven skills. You'd think that a race of geniuses would learn faster than that.

Yeah, but they might not have the desire to learn what they see as mundane human skills as opposed to, say, the pursuit of magic or honing there own natural powers.

TechnoGothic · Unread post by **TechnoGothic** » Mon May 16, 2011 9:05 pm

Dragon Hatchling should be acting like 3-5 year old kids. Sure they can be smart. But they are still kids.
Reaching 6th lvl is pretty easy and can be done is very short order in most group. lvls is no way to compair how a character should learn new skills while said character is basicly a kid/baby.

Grell · Unread post by **Grell** » Mon May 16, 2011 9:24 pm

Techno's gotta good point. I had to use a similar argument on a player that declared his hatchling would be an adult dragon at 6th level just because the book stated that most adult dragons are on/around 6th level.

kaid · Unread post by **kaid** » Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:44 pm

Mack wrote:I went with the Royal Frilled myself, but that's because I have a weakness for Psionics. Also, given how pitiful a dragon's skill selection is, and that it starts with no spells, I would want a few more abilities to work with.

(The skill thing bugs me. Yea, I know it's a balance issue and I generally endorse those. But we're talking about a creature with a average IQ of 16 having a total of eleven skills by level 6.)

True but its also a creature thats potentially hours old so it does make some sense. Very bright but totally inexperienced.

Also to answer a question from the cutting room floor FAQ

189. Does a dragon's bio-regeneration restore missing limb's like arm's, leg's, eye's etc.

Answer: Yes it can restore lost limbs.

The whiptails bonus is simply it regens those limbs much faster than normal. I honestly like all of the revamped dragon hatchlings in R:UE but I would probably pick ice dragon because I like to play a character who is a special snowflake!

Pepsi Jedi · Unread post by **Pepsi Jedi** » Mon Aug 13, 2012 3:27 pm

melbagothra wrote:the reason dragons dont get alot of skills as a hatchling is because they havent been around long enough to have them but also they have no real need of them.and as far as lvl not being a factor in a hatchings behavior by third lvl a hatchling has to pick an alignment and second in the dragons and gods book it states that most dragons reach full maturity between 9-12 lvl.by rue ruling it would be lvl 9 because of h2h dragon at lvl 9 grants the dragon a +5% to dimentional teleport and hatchlings cant d-port only adults can there for by lvl 9 you reach adulthood by kevs ruling.not the smartest way to balance things but it is what it is

It also says on page 158, RUE that they're Hatchlings till "they hit physical maturity at approximately 600 years of age" and are 'young adults'.

Pepsi Jedi · Unread post by **Pepsi Jedi** » Mon Aug 13, 2012 3:49 pm

As for picking an RUE dragon, I suffer from the fact that they're horribly illistrated. As far as dragons go, the ones in the RUE are fugly, and a few of them don't even have pics. Those that do are not quality pics. So it's kinda hard to see what you look like. The descriptions only vagely match the pics that "are" given.

Of the RUE though, I'd probably go with Forest runner. I'd prefer better wings but it's not like they can't fly, and it's not like a dragon is going to out fly power armor or something if it IS flying so... yeah. I like the Chemelon power and they seem to be more prone to having to think instead of brute force through things.

Ice Dragon · Unread post by **Ice Dragon** » Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:12 am

Old school: I pick an Ice Dragon hatchling

Shark_Force · Unread post by **Shark_Force** » Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:00 pm

Mack wrote:I went with the Royal Frilled myself, but that's because I have a weakness for Psionics. Also, given how pitiful a dragon's skill selection is, and that it starts with no spells, I would want a few more abilities to work with.

(The skill thing bugs me. Yea, I know it's a balance issue and I generally endorse those. But we're talking about a creature with a average IQ of 16 having a total of eleven skills by level 6.)

clearly, you should get to know a good rogue scholar

jaymz · Unread post by **jaymz** » Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:38 am

Ice Dragon wrote:Old school: I pick an Ice Dragon hatchling

I am with Ice Dragon on this one all things considered...

http://www.spacestationliberty.com/woj/ ... tattoo.jpg :lol:

Ectoplasmic Bidet · Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:43 am

Royal Frilled.

The psionics are too much to turn down.

jaymz · Unread post by **jaymz** » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:10 pm

There should be an option of none of the above

jaymz · Unread post by **jaymz** » Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:06 pm

Panomas wrote:
jaymz wrote:There should be an option of none of the above

Otherwise known as-Not selecting what is offered as a choice?

I've already stated I am old school and would take an Ice Dragon Hatchling

Timmee · Unread post by **Timmee** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:30 pm

I'd create a Royal Frilled dragon hatchling, because beyond the normal dragon abilities (flight, psionics, spells, metamorphosis, breath weapon, supernatural strength, etc), it's a MASTER psychic.

Pick y'er RUE dragon!