the CS has HOW MANY ?

Lenwen · Unread post by **Lenwen** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:08 pm

So far to date I've counted at least a bere minimun of 8 Generals ..
I dident think there were that many for any nation ..

So does the CS simply toss out thier Officer ranks of General to just anyone now or what ?

-Lenwen.

Prince Artemis · Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:28 pm

Different Generals for different things I guess. I know General Underhill is the mecha general.

Library Ogre · Unread post by **Library Ogre** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:32 pm

Different generals for different commands, certainly. You've got to have at least 5... Chi-Town, Missouri, Lone Star, Arkansas and Iron Heart are all going to need military leadership. Then you've got people like Cabot, who are your Joint Chiefs. Or your generals in charge of offensive armies. Not to mention your admiralty, who's going to be the same grade.

Mack · Unread post by **Mack** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:37 pm

Lenwen wrote:So far to date I've counted at least a bere minimun of 8 Generals ..
I dident think there were that many for any nation ..

Hope you mean for any Rifts nation...

The US Air Force has more than that by itself.

The Beast · Unread post by **The Beast** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:50 pm

Mack wrote:
Lenwen wrote:So far to date I've counted at least a bere minimun of 8 Generals ..
I dident think there were that many for any nation ..

Hope you mean for any Rifts nation...

The US Air Force has more than that by itself.

Yeah, for the CS's size, 8 is completely believable.

Lenwen · Unread post by **Lenwen** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:16 pm

One - Infantry .
One - Mechanized .
One - Support .
Three - Chief's of Staff jobs ..

Ok now that is not counting the other Generals that are low to mid grade Generals as well as the Lone Star Generals ..

From what I have read in Aftermath ONE general operates one feild army or 24,000 troops ..

That makes Coalitions overall General count something in the neighborhood of 62 (low) to 104(high) Generals in the Coalitions military ..

That is not even the Admiral Rank for thier Navy as well ...

-Lenwen.

Dustin Fireblade · Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:50 pm

According to this article - http://www.slate.com/id/2139847/sidebar/2140026/

The US Air Force - 13 generals (though the Air Force website lists way more)

US Marines - 82

US Army - 312

Lenwen · Unread post by **Lenwen** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 11:20 pm

Dustin Fireblade wrote:According to this article - http://www.slate.com/id/2139847/sidebar/2140026/

The US Air Force - 13 generals (though the Air Force website lists way more)

US Marines - 82

US Army - 312

Out of those the only substantiated number were the marines an the airforce .

Thats a total of 407 Generals (unsubstantiated ) along with still needing the Navy's current General numbers ..

That is just way to many if ya ask me

-Lenwen.

Mack · Unread post by **Mack** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 11:22 pm

Dustin Fireblade wrote:According to this article - http://www.slate.com/id/2139847/sidebar/2140026/

The US Air Force - 13 generals (though the Air Force website lists way more)

US Marines - 82

US Army - 312

That's a mix-match of numbers. That's 13 USAF Generals (with a capital G, meaning 4-star rank). The others are generic generals (Brig Gen, Maj Gen, Lt Gen, and Gen; 1 to 4 stars).

Based 2007 data, the USAF has on active duty:
-- 12 Generals
-- 37 Lt Generals
-- 93 Maj Generals
-- 145 Brig Generals
-- For a total of 287.

Jefffar · Unread post by **Jefffar** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:54 am

Another thing to remember is that dictatorships tend to collect generals - as the dictator rewards his political friends with the title.

Novastar · Unread post by **Novastar** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:27 pm

Mack wrote:
Dustin Fireblade wrote:According to this article - http://www.slate.com/id/2139847/sidebar/2140026/

The US Air Force - 13 generals (though the Air Force website lists way more)

US Marines - 82

US Army - 312

That's a mix-match of numbers. That's 13 USAF Generals (with a capital G, meaning 4-star rank). The others are generic generals (Brig Gen, Maj Gen, Lt Gen, and Gen; 1 to 4 stars).

Based 2007 data, the USAF has on active duty:
-- 12 Generals
-- 37 Lt Generals
-- 93 Maj Generals
-- 145 Brig Generals
-- For a total of 287.

How many active duty personnel, Mack?
That would help establish the General-to-soldier ratio.

Natasha · Unread post by **Natasha** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:35 pm

In the US Army a division will have 1-2 generals (Major General as commander and possibly a Brigadier General as deputy commander) commanding it. The US Army has around ten divisions if I recall correctly (I think it's 9 divisions though). A division is anything from 10k-20k soldiers.

The USAF probably set up a little differently.

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:20 am

I'm sure the coalition has many more generals than that. There are a lot that have yet to be created for our use. Considering how big the CS armed forces are. I'd imagine quite a few more generals than 8. Maybe they have 8 four star generals, but many more below them.

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:30 am

Yes, we know. There is no need to shout. We can all hear you fine!

Sakieh · Unread post by **Sakieh** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:49 am

I live in an area with 4 air force bases(no Army, marines are attached the Naval Air Station), and of those 4 bases, 1 is commanded by a Colonel, the other 3 are commanded by Generals. I know this because command changes get in the front page news around here.

Also, there are no Generals in the Navy. they are Admirals. And the command structure works out a bit different. Traditionally, it is a Commander who commands ships like destroyers, subs, etc(the small ships), Battleships and Carriers get bonifide Captains, the Task Force is commanded by a Rear Admiral, several task forces are under the command of a Vice Admiral, and a Fleet Admiral commands a whole theatre. Admiral of the Navy commands the whole kit-n-kaboodle.

Natasha · Unread post by **Natasha** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:29 am

gunny wrote:YOU ALSO CANT FORGET ABOUT THE BIG 5 STAR GEN THE TOP DOG

There hasn't been a 5 Star General in the US Army since Omar Bradley.

The Beast · Unread post by **The Beast** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:44 pm

Natasha wrote:
gunny wrote:YOU ALSO CANT FORGET ABOUT THE BIG 5 STAR GEN THE TOP DOG

There hasn't been a 5 Star General in the US Army since Omar Bradley.

I was under the impresion he was speaking of Prosek.

On a completely different subject, Natasha you seem to be changing your avatar an awful lot.

Natasha · Unread post by **Natasha** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:51 pm

The Beast wrote:
Natasha wrote:
gunny wrote:YOU ALSO CANT FORGET ABOUT THE BIG 5 STAR GEN THE TOP DOG

There hasn't been a 5 Star General in the US Army since Omar Bradley.

I was under the impresion he was speaking of Prosek.

Well he'd definitely be considered top dog hehe.

The Beast wrote:On a completely different subject, Natasha you seem to be changing your avatar an awful lot.

I'm flighty.

And I just got my hair cut short.

glitterboy2098 · Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:08 pm

actually, Prosek would technically be "commander in chief" like the President of America, commander of the entire military but having no direct military rank.

so he's not a general or admiral. he's higher ranked than all of them.

Natasha · Unread post by **Natasha** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:21 pm

glitterboy2098 wrote:actually, Prosek would technically be "commander in chief" like the President of America, commander of the entire military but having no direct military rank.

so he's not a general or admiral. he's higher ranked than all of them.

Well there's some dictators that do have direct military rank, they just happen to be on top of the entire military by dint of being Dictator.

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:17 am

But he is Emperor Prosek. I think that says a lot!

Natasha · Unread post by **Natasha** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:44 am

Aramanthus wrote:But he is Emperor Prosek. I think that says a lot!

It does indeed. I totally agree.

Although an emperor is usually a dictator.

Elthbert · Unread post by **Elthbert** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:14 am

Natasha wrote:
Aramanthus wrote:But he is Emperor Prosek. I think that says a lot!

It does indeed. I totally agree.

Although an emperor is usually a dictator.

Oh I don't know an emperor is just a Monarch which rules an Empire, and lots of Monarchs have not been dictators, most in the Post Rome West were indeed quite restricted in what they could and could not do by custom. And while we in modern times don't think of Custom as a particularl powerful force, that was not the case through out most of History.

That said I agree Prosek is a Dictator.

The Beast · Unread post by **The Beast** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:18 pm

I thought I read he was a 5 star, but I don't see that in his write up in WB11.

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:45 am

Wasn't his original write up in original source book 1 along with his son? I thought it was. I can't remember but has there been any updates on those stats?

Dustin Fireblade · Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:21 am

Aramanthus wrote:Wasn't his original write up in original source book 1 along with his son? I thought it was. I can't remember but has there been any updates on those stats?

There was a update in CWC, adding a level to Karl and three to his son Joseph. I believe Joseph's rank is officially Colonel IIRC.

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:11 am

That is right! Thank you Dustin!

Lenwen · Unread post by **Lenwen** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:05 pm

See an here I thought I was the only person who read somewhere that Emp Prosak was in fact a Field General at one time ...

Come to reread the thread an see that others have read it only makes me feel like I was not losing my mind haha ..

Back to the real life ... where my dice go now :lol:

Lenwen · Unread post by **Lenwen** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:10 pm

glitterboy2098 wrote:actually, Prosek would technically be "commander in chief" like the President of America, commander of the entire military but having no direct military rank.

so he's not a general or admiral. he's higher ranked than all of them.

That would normally be true but The Emp actually held the rank of General prior to being named Emp for Life ..

At least I thought I read that somewhere before ...

Mack · Unread post by **Mack** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:12 pm

Novastar wrote:How many active duty personnel, Mack?
That would help establish the General-to-soldier ratio.

The USAF currently has 351,800 active personnel, not counting the Guard / Reserve.

glitterboy2098 · Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:31 pm

Lenwen wrote:
glitterboy2098 wrote:actually, Prosek would technically be "commander in chief" like the President of America, commander of the entire military but having no direct military rank.

so he's not a general or admiral. he's higher ranked than all of them.

That would normally be true but The Emp actually held the rank of General prior to being named Emp for Life ..

At least I thought I read that somewhere before ...

Dwight D. Eisenhower was General of the army
Benjamin Harrison was a Brigader General.
Chester A. Arthur was brigader General.
Ulysses S. Grant was General of the Army
Andrew Johnson was a Brigader General
Zachary Taylor was a Major General
William Henry Harrison was a major general
Andrew Jackson was a General
and of course, George Washington was general of the armies (and still technically is)

one thing about the US presidency though is that while the president is commander in chief, and thus the head honcho, he is not technically a holder of any military rank while in the position. any rank he is entitled to from previous service is not carried over.

of course the coalition does not nessicarily have to follow this policy, but i would suspect that the position of Emperor was an outgrowth of a previous president like position, merely altered to be indefinite in length and hereditary in succession, not unlike how Hitler rose to power in 1930's germany.

Rallan · Unread post by **Rallan** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:27 am

Jefffar wrote:Another thing to remember is that dictatorships tend to collect generals - as the dictator rewards his political friends with the title.

Indeedly. I think Cambodia managed to wind up with more general than lieutenants in its army a couple of years ago.

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