Given up yet?

Trooper Jim · Unread post by **Trooper Jim** » Thu Mar 04, 2004 3:45 am

Well I have. Do the rest of you think we will ever see this book? I actually started working on a quick and dirty supplement for HU called Recon Unlimited. In fact I an still compiling info for this (not really so quick after all). Anyway has anyone else given up and modified an existing Palladium game?

Jefffar · Unread post by **Jefffar** » Thu Mar 04, 2004 11:56 am

I was writing my own version (modified N&SS/SystemsFailure/ATB2 hybrid rules and skills) at the time the latest version of R:MC was announced.

I never stopped tinkering with it.

Dustin Fireblade · Thu Apr 01, 2004 6:11 pm

Trooper Jim wrote:Well I have. Do the rest of you think we will ever see this book? I actually started working on a quick and dirty supplement for HU called Recon Unlimited. In fact I an still compiling info for this (not really so quick after all). Anyway has anyone else given up and modified an existing Palladium game?

This sounds very interesting...sounds sorta like some of those Image Comics from the early 90's like CyberForce, WILDC.A.T's, or Stormwatch.

You are welcome to bring this over to the RPG Think Tank for any help you might need.

Omote · Unread post by **Omote** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 12:37 pm

I'll be honest, I have. Completely. Oh well, what can you do. *shrugs* :-?

...........................Omote

Maryann · Unread post by **Maryann** » Sat Apr 03, 2004 6:04 pm

Nope I haven't ...

Sureshot · Unread post by **Sureshot** » Sun Apr 04, 2004 2:25 am

I have too.

Tinker Dragoon · Sun Apr 04, 2004 2:50 pm

I don't know the meaning of the words "give up"

Jefffar · Unread post by **Jefffar** » Sun Apr 04, 2004 4:27 pm

Somebody get TD a dictionary.

Blue Falcon · Unread post by **Blue Falcon** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 10:44 am

Recon Modern Combat WILL come out...just as soon as Guns N' Roses puts out a new CD, Jimmy Hoffa's body is found, and shooter from the Grassy Knoll is identified.

Jefffar · Unread post by **Jefffar** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 11:39 pm

Isn't there a new GnR CD comming out real soon?

Vidynn · Unread post by **Vidynn** » Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:25 pm

Jefffar wrote:Isn't there a new GnR CD comming out real soon?

its completely off-topic but: No, its not new, its a greatest hits collection. and its out already.

cheers, V

welcome to the jungle.

Trooper Jim · Unread post by **Trooper Jim** » Wed May 05, 2004 12:49 am

Just picked up Rifter 25. It has a nice artical on playing more realistic military characters in Ninjas & Superspies. good read, and well researched. I did take some issue with parts of it. but it does a good job of capturing the character type.

Jefffar · Unread post by **Jefffar** » Wed May 05, 2004 9:05 am

An old argument of mine is that RMC would be easier to produce as a major suppliment to N&SS than as an independant RPG.

Trooper Jim · Unread post by **Trooper Jim** » Fri May 07, 2004 1:30 am

Jefffar wrote:An old argument of mine is that RMC would be easier to produce as a major suppliment to N&SS than as an independant RPG.

I am going to have to agree with you on this one. It might be the only way we will ever see this game in print.

Lord_Dalgard · Unread post by **Lord_Dalgard** » Fri May 07, 2004 9:08 pm

Chello!

[Tim Allen] Never retreat! Never Surrender! [/TA]

I'll never give up....and Mary Ann still believes, too....so: Neener, neener!!

Gilmagor · Unread post by **Gilmagor** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 2:02 am

... well, here's my first post on a Palladium board in ages. (Point in fact, the last time I posted in any Palladium board... it was in an arguement over the electronics, specifically, wiring in Skelebots and Power Armour from Rifts......)

And, well...

I was finally looking through the complete list of stuff Palladium makes and came across Recon and, admittedly, a few years ago I didn't think it was that cool.... of course, I had never read anything... even the product description really.

Anyhow, saw something for Recon: Modern Combat and thought: Wow... that'd be really cool... only... now I see it's probably gone to proverbial book purgatory. Much sadness. However, I've actually looked at the Recon blurb and, you know, it could be pretty cool too. Even if what I really want is RMC.

Anyhow, my first post in quite some time. Hello peoples.

Trooper Jim · Unread post by **Trooper Jim** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 3:22 am

Here I am to whine that another years release schedual and no RMC. But wait we have a new SCI FI RPG coming out..........

Just no damn RMC.

Sureshot · Unread post by **Sureshot** » Fri Jul 23, 2004 9:46 am

Trooper Jim wrote:Here I am to whine that another years release schedual and no RMC. But wait we have a new SCI FI RPG coming out.......... Just no damn RMC.

As long as there are troops in Iraq don't expect it to come out. They have posted their reason why and I respect that. Not that it makes the waiting any easier. I just hope Splicers is the last of their new games. I really want them to concentrate on their other game lines like HU and Palladium Fantasy.

Trooper Jim · Unread post by **Trooper Jim** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 1:51 am

memorax wrote:
Trooper Jim wrote:Here I am to whine that another years release schedual and no RMC. But wait we have a new SCI FI RPG coming out.......... Just no damn RMC.

As long as there are troops in Iraq don't expect it to come out. They have posted their reason why and I respect that. Not that it makes the waiting any easier. I just hope Splicers is the last of their new games. I really want them to concentrate on their other game lines like HU and Palladium Fantasy.

Where is the reason posted. I haven't read this anyware so i would like to read this for myself. Thanks for the help.

BigLEE · Unread post by **BigLEE** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:49 am

Trooper Jim wrote:
memorax wrote:
Trooper Jim wrote:Here I am to whine that another years release schedual and no RMC. But wait we have a new SCI FI RPG coming out.......... Just no damn RMC.

As long as there are troops in Iraq don't expect it to come out. They have posted their reason why and I respect that. Not that it makes the waiting any easier. I just hope Splicers is the last of their new games. I really want them to concentrate on their other game lines like HU and Palladium Fantasy.

Where is the reason posted. I haven't read this anyware so i would like to read this for myself. Thanks for the help.

See Maryann's post at viewtopic.php?t=18960&highlight=recon

See also her at viewtopic.php?t=20934&highlight= for additional information

Firefly · Unread post by **Firefly** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 12:01 pm

I bought all my palladium books from 1989 to 1994. I have a dozen of them, still occasional read my old books and still use the Palladium system but I haven't bought anything new by palladium in over 10 years. When I read about this new book on Recon Modern Combat in the works it finally sounded like a book that I would want to buy. After a decade I want to give palladium my money for this book. I get the book and they can use my money to buy a pizza. Sounds fair to me but they aren't going to release this book.

There is a market out there for this book. You can find anti-terrorist based toys and video games in the toy stores. Check TV on TNT they some new show called 'The GRID' (not going to watch it) but it looks like it's about fighting terrorists. Is the book offensive? I don't know what the actually text in the book is but is it making any generalizations saying, "Everyone from the middle east is a terrorist"? If so then please don't release it. The subject matter of modern anti-terrorism/terrorism warfare shouldn't be reason not to release it. Other companies are captializing on the subject.

What's the worst that can happen? Palladium books release it, people start buying it and maybe few people read something that offends them. The local media wants to question Palladium books about why they made such a game for kids. Palladium books can show other examples currently on the market and express that this game isn't meant for little kids etc. I learned all about the media and public relations at university, pay me and I'll take care this for you (anything to get a copy of this book

).

I'm a former customer. I'm also an older one too. My tastes have matured but part of me is still a kid that wants to RP. This book has got me interested in Palladium's products again. Release this book please, regain former customers looking for something a bit more mature and attract new mature customers as well.

In any case please feel free to send me an advance copy. I will be happy to read it at and use all the college edjumication to tell Palladium books if the public is ready for such a book. :lol:

Trooper Jim · Unread post by **Trooper Jim** » Thu Jul 29, 2004 2:12 am

BigLEE wrote:
See Maryann's post at viewtopic.php?t=18960&highlight=recon

See also her at viewtopic.php?t=20934&highlight= for additional information

Thank you Lee I must have missed that one.

Ok here I go.
TIRADE ALERT………………

WARNING INCOMEING RANT ………………………………...........

That is worst frikin excuse I have heard. Possibly offending someone is not a reason to delay the release of this book. I am beginning to think that we as Americans have become to thin skinned when it comes to being “offended”. You know I am offended by something or someone on damn near a daily basis. And what do I do? I either turn the channel, leave the theater, change the subject, or put the book down and never finish it. People need to understand that we do not live a perfect utopian world. As the day goes on you will be offended by someone, get over it. Learning to deal with a diversity of opinions will make you stronger. It really bothers me that the fear of “offending” some one has delayed the release of this product. I would have respected the argument that the book was delayed out respect for the families of those involved in current military operations. This excuse I think is just a copout. I think that PB just doesn’t want to release the book. If that is the case fine. I will find another military based RPG when I want to play a counter terror/espionage/special ops campaign.
You guys are probably tired of beating the “when is RMC coming out” dead horse. But like I have mentioned in other posts I have been waiting for this game since the early 90’s. It seams that with the current trend in movies, comics and even video games, this game might do well. Palladium has a strong customer base and I am sure a lot of them would like to see this game be released. I really just think that this is a bad decision. If it boils down to it, I will probably quit playing Palladium games long before this book is ever released. Too bad.
And that’s the bottom line.

BigLEE · Unread post by **BigLEE** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 10:42 am

Maryann posts suggests two reasons for not seeing Recon Modern Combat. One, it would be in poor taste, and two, they don't believe they'd make their money back if they put it out at this time.

Palladium is a business. Why should they put out a book that they may lose money on?

Firefly · Unread post by **Firefly** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:08 am

I think they should look again at the current market. You have current non news television dealing with the subject. There is plenty of toys based on the subject. Clancy made a career writing about the subject. Look at the current video games that out there. Spintler cell, ghost recon, conflict desert storm, Socom etc.

BigLEE · Unread post by **BigLEE** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:17 am

Firefly wrote:I think they should look again at the current market. You have current non news television dealing with the subject. There is plenty of toys based on the subject. Clancy made a career writing about the subject. Look at the current video games that out there. Spintler cell, ghost recon, conflict desert storm, Socom etc.

I believe they looked at their market, specifically pre-orders, and don't see a justification for pushing to get the product finished at this time. They did a similar thing the BtS 2E, although in BtS's case the book was largely re-written.

MOrab46019 · Unread post by **MOrab46019** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:26 am

There was post about the moden d20 system comming out with a book called Blood and Steel. I would like to get that link if there is way to get it.In it they had info about 160th chopper wing. The ones that support all SF and other types of units. I think it also cover the 1st Armor it was PDF file. Anyone have that link?

BigLEE · Unread post by **BigLEE** » Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:31 am

This one?

http://www.rpgobjects.com/index.php?pag ... duct_id=23

Trooper Jim · Unread post by **Trooper Jim** » Tue Aug 03, 2004 3:21 am

MorganKeyes wrote: I have it, talked with the author. It's pretty much junk. Alot of errors. Focus is all over the place and schitzophrenic at that. IE., classes are almost exclusively SpecOps types but goes overboard in making each individual unit or command a class. Then in rules and equipment it suddenly spreads itself out into conventional forces in many areas and even then there are alot of errors.

If you're looking for organization of things like the 160th SOAR (A), ask around for those of us that've been in instead of wasting cash, though at only $8.95 for a download I suppose you can give it a shot.

If you want a sample of the book, and in particular it's 160th SOAR entry, there is PDF demo here.

I don't have any experience with this game. I have however, played the Stargate SG-1 RPG from AEG. While it it isn't as detailed as I would like it does a good job of capturing the fast paced feel of the show. It could be used to play a decent modern combat type game.

BigLEE · Unread post by **BigLEE** » Tue Aug 03, 2004 11:54 am

Trooper Jim wrote:I don't have any experience with this game. I have however, played the Stargate SG-1 RPG from AEG. While it it isn't as detailed as I would like it does a good job of capturing the fast paced feel of the show. It could be used to play a decent modern combat type game.

Stargate is based on AEG's Spycraft. While Spycraft is an Espionage game, US & World Military sourcebooks for the system in the upcoming months.

You might also want to try the Twilight:2000 reprints from QLI, Tour of Darkeness for the Savage Worlds system from PEG Inc. or Cartoon Action Heroes with the Darkness Unleased Sourebook if you want a G.I Joe type campaign.

MOrab46019 · Unread post by **MOrab46019** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:07 am

Twilight:2000 reprints from QLI is there a link to check them out?

MOrab46019 · Unread post by **MOrab46019** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 9:07 am

Twilight:2000 reprints from QLI is there a link to check them out?

BigLEE · Unread post by **BigLEE** » Thu Aug 05, 2004 10:44 am

MOrab46019 wrote:Twilight:2000 reprints from QLI is there a link to check them out?

My bad, it's Far Futures doing the T2k reprints (QLI is doing Traveller:D20)See http://www.farfuture.net/ffe/n2002.html for more info.

Basically, it is a reprint of the First Edition Boxed Set and four adventures.

L.E.E.

ARMD454 · Unread post by **ARMD454** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:18 am

Well, if Palladium is waiting for the Middle East to cool down to release Recon MC....we're going to be waiting a long, long, long time.

Drakenred®™© · Tue Mar 01, 2005 3:04 am

Palladium books attitude is kind of odd when you think about it.

they have Terrorists and radicals on C S I buying, selling and/or shooting RPGs in cities here in the US(something that ironically has not happened yet, this may sound strange but on an average year theirs more "RPGs" bombs and diseases (not counting the traditional Annual Nuclear device.
which has me wondering! What do they do, play Texas no limmit poker and the first network out has to make or show a movie about a nuke going off?)are fired or sett off by the entertainment industry here in the US than have gone off since 1999.

but oh whell.

Jefffar · Unread post by **Jefffar** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 7:48 pm

Well, here you're just preaching to the converted.

Write Kevin a nice letter asking him to move Recon forward.

Wōdwulf Seaxaning · Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:24 pm

Hello,

I too have pretty much given up on it.So I lucked out and found a reprint copy of Twilight:2000. Now I just need a group to game with.L8r
Leo

Rayven · Unread post by **Rayven** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 4:39 am

Ya know, I have been waiting for this for a while. Not quite as long as some of you, but several years nonetheless. And I feel that the reason of poor taste due to the times is BS. There are games all over the market that deal with war and espionage. Hell, there is even a game called Haven: City of Violence that came out that is all about that sort of thing. Granted, the game is converting to D20 modern, but even D20 Modern has a lot of warfare behind it.

I know that, as a retailer, I could sell RMC in a heartbeat to dozens of people. I also know that nobody in my company has pre-ordered it yet because it has been "coming soon" for 10 years. That is likely the reason that online preorders haven't been flowing through the floodgates...people don't expect it to come out because of how long it has been on the back burner. And this isn't the only game Palladium has done this to. I remember seeing a "coming soon" ad for a game called "Void Runners" that looked really freaking interesting...and haven't seen a word about it since. I want both of these games to come out...I know I'd buy one or two of each, and I am sure hundreds, if not thousands of other people would as well.

Sureshot · Unread post by **Sureshot** » Fri Apr 01, 2005 2:27 pm

Or at the very least removed completely from the online catalog and any upcoming printed catalogues.

Rayven · Unread post by **Rayven** » Mon Apr 04, 2005 4:34 am

Sureshot wrote:Or at the very least removed completely from the online catalog and any upcoming printed catalogues.

I agree. Mechanoids Space and RMC need to be axed from the catalogue until they are actually going to come out.

gordyzx9r · Unread post by **gordyzx9r** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:17 am

In the meantime you can always try to hunt down the original version of Recon that wasn't put out by Palladium. Myself, I have Revised Recon and Advanced Recon so I wouldn't buy it even if they publish a new one; I liked the original and don't see a need for change.

BigLEE · Unread post by **BigLEE** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 10:53 am

gordyzx9r wrote:In the meantime you can always try to hunt down the original version of Recon that wasn't put out by Palladium. Myself, I have Revised Recon and Advanced Recon so I wouldn't buy it even if they publish a new one; I liked the original and don't see a need for change.

The original version is available for download at http://www.palladium-megaverse.com/cutt ... lrecon.pdf sans the GM Screen.

gordyzx9r · Unread post by **gordyzx9r** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 7:52 pm

BigLEE wrote:The original version is available for download at http://www.palladium-megaverse.com/cutt ... lrecon.pdf sans the GM Screen.

Out of curiousity, how much would a mint condition version of this bring? Somehow I don't see it being that much.

BigLEE · Unread post by **BigLEE** » Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:38 pm

Titan Games has a VF+ copy for $10.00.

L.E.E.

Jesterzzn · Unread post by **Jesterzzn** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 8:14 pm

So is it out yet? :-P

lather · Unread post by **lather** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 8:48 pm

yes... go bug your book store owner to get a few copies! :lol:

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