Warlock Abilities

[Nekira Sudacne]

That's because Shadow Warlocks are utterly different from palladium fantasy warlocks. dispite having the name, they are NOT related in any way, shape, or form.

[Sir_Spirit]

Shadow Warlocks are WArlocks, but their element of Shadow has so little to do with the other elements that their abilities are vastly different.
This combined with the lack of a True Shadow Elemental means they lack the true elemental connection other Warlocks have.

[drewkitty ~..~]

NS is right.


But,
If,
I was going to let him play a "shadow" warlock,create the warlock normally. However, they can only be linked to the 'shadow' element. (ie: no double elements) Then I would have him pick out the shadow magic spells found in the rifters. (see the rifter index in the rifter forum to see which ones you need to dig out of the shelf) As for summoning elemental abilities, they would work the same, but what they summoned would be Shadow Beasts instead of true elementals.

Sence we will, with almost certenty, never see Land of the Damded III with its shadow magic. This is probibly as close to an elemental style 'shadow warlock' mixing cannon and semi-cannon sorces.

[Nekira Sudacne]

NS is right.


But,
If,
I was going to let him play a "shadow" warlock,create the warlock normally. However, they can only be linked to the 'shadow' element. (ie: no double elements) Then I would have him pick out the shadow magic spells found in the rifters. (see the rifter index in the rifter forum to see which ones you need to dig out of the shelf) As for summoning elemental abilities, they would work the same, but what they summoned would be Shadow Beasts instead of true elementals.

Sence we will, with almost certenty, never see Land of the Damded III with its shadow magic. This is probibly as close to an elemental style 'shadow warlock' mixing cannon and semi-cannon sorces.

Library of Bethrald has some Shadow Magic, but not a hell of a lot.

[Gomen_Nagai]

there's a rifter 24? i think with even more shadow magic ( or was that 17"?) and shadow monsters for the shadow realms of the PFPRG world. ..
suffice to say, nightbanes Shadow warlocks are nothing of the sort.

[Nekira Sudacne]

Thank you all for your comments. Nerdbane had the correct understanding of my inquiry. I would love to see how LOD 3 or Worlds of Warlock would have handled the shadow elementism, but alas, I fear all is lost for those twin hopes.

Now that I realize I should have been more clear on the topic in question, what "common" warlock abilities would you give to a Shadow Warlock to make them fit more into the PFRPG realm without unbalancing the game, if any. How would the other Warlocks react to Shadow Warlocks, considering they are the only Warlock without an opposing life sign?

I know none of this is covered in any conversion book or rules, so I am looking for pratical and entertaining ideas. Once again, thank you all for your time, patience, and help.

They need no warlock abilities to fit in the Palladium world. they are perfectly fine exsactly as is.

[drewkitty ~..~]

How would the other Warlocks react to Shadow Warlocks, considering they are the only Warlock without an opposing life sign?

shock ? disbelief ?

since they're not like any other warlock known.

after a few demo-spells/talents then it might dawn on them what's up.

my guess is that they'd classify them as a typical mage and that's that.

They would not let them into to their group as a warlock. They wouldn't give him the curisey (and correctly so) that each warlock gives each other. He would be some sort of mystic to them, making up a new name for them.

This is beyond the question "how did the SW get his powers, if the powers are derived from time spent in the nightlands?" which need to be answerd by the player. (or GM....but that might be a good way for a GM to exclude the SW class from his non-Nightbane games).

[Rallan]

Now that I realize I should have been more clear on the topic in question, what "common" warlock abilities would you give to a Shadow Warlock to make them fit more into the PFRPG realm without unbalancing the game, if any. How would the other Warlocks react to Shadow Warlocks, considering they are the only Warlock without an opposing life sign?

THey wouldn't think it's same deal, because despite his name, a Shadow Warlock ain't the same kind of dude as traditional warlocks. His magic doesn't have anything to do with tapping into the balance of elements that make up the world. He's just a spellcaster who, thanks to the fact that his world is linked to the supernaturally dark and nasty Nightlands, has been able to develop an affinity with darkness to the point where he can develop the same supernatural talents as a Nightbane. They might get upset about him calling himself a warlock (because as far as they're concerned, he ain't), but they're intuitively hip enough to nature's groove that they'll know right off the bat that his magic and their magic have nothing to do with each other.

EDIT
If anything, it's how the rest of the PFRPG setting treats him that might be a problem. If a wizard rocks up,smacks people around with shadow tentacles, and claims that his magic powers come from an innate affinity with darkness, he's probably gonna last all of ten seconds before everyone starts trying to burn him at the stake

[Jedrious]

A lot of this confusion probably could have been avoided if the OCC had been called "Nightlands Mystic" or something like that.

The Shadow Mage in the rifter, on the other hand, is basically what we would expect in a shadow warlock. 'Mage' makes me think wizard/ley line walker type who can study and learn spells, isn't that what the HU equiv is called?

Thread-Necro much?

[TechnoGothic]

HU uses the terms "Wizard" or "Mystic Study" for Spell Casters.

The NB "Shadow Warlock" is not a true warlock or wizard in any sense of the meanings. NightTalent Users is the best term for them really.

[mastermesh]

I know, I know, not supposed to talk about other games... but... uh.... sounds like you are wanting something like Obtenebration from World of Darkness...

http://wiki.white-wolf.com/worldofdarkn ... querade%29