Conspiracy theory! Games Workshop rips off Rifts again!

finn69 · Unread post by **finn69** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:42 pm

looking at them side by side they do look alot alike but the question is was it intentional and if so what can PB actually DO about it at this time?

Nekira Sudacne · Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:55 pm

I would say it's coincidence.

it's about a generic mecha design as you can get. it's not really origonal, inspiring, or particually interesting.

Marcantony · Unread post by **Marcantony** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 9:26 pm

Um no. They look similar but not that similar. If anything the warhammer one looks better. I dont see any rip off here.

Pax Concord · Unread post by **Pax Concord** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 9:30 pm

Nekira Sudacne wrote:I would say it's coincidence.

it's about a generic mecha design as you can get. it's not really origonal, inspiring, or particually interesting.

Agreed. Both Warhammer and Rifts are pastiches of various genre fiction and media. They're both drinking from the same well. It's bound to happen.

Nekira Sudacne · Sun Jun 25, 2006 2:50 am

Ever hear of "Generic Mecha Design"?

Well, your pictures pretty much epitomize it. of course they resemble something from palladium. They resemble a half dozen different models, simply because they're so bland.

Zer0 Kay · Unread post by **Zer0 Kay** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:53 am

Well if PB goes after GW for simularities then whoever made Guyver would have to go after PB for even stronger simularities in Splicers. Who cares if you like the game play it. Didn't Thumper's mother teach you anything? If you don't have anything nice to say...

Marcantony · Unread post by **Marcantony** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:24 am

Zer0 Kay wrote:Well if PB goes after GW for simularities then whoever made Guyver would have to go after PB for even stronger simularities in Splicers. Who cares if you like the game play it. Didn't Thumper's mother teach you anything? If you don't have anything nice to say...

Or for that matter the predator lookalikes in aliens unlimited galaxy guide. And all the Gundam looking mecha in the Triax book..

Marcantony · Unread post by **Marcantony** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 6:26 am

Kikkoman wrote:It'd be coincidence if it was just one, but everything together adds up.

howabout...

(not 40k, this is a model from the 80's I think, by Studio Nue, the Macross people)
http://static.flickr.com/39/91464256_287d4be476_o.jpg

does it look like anything to you folks?

Yeah, like one of the mechs from Bubblegum Crisis and AD Police.

Jefffar · Unread post by **Jefffar** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:21 pm

Marcantony wrote:
Kikkoman wrote:It'd be coincidence if it was just one, but everything together adds up.

howabout...

(not 40k, this is a model from the 80's I think, by Studio Nue, the Macross people)
http://static.flickr.com/39/91464256_287d4be476_o.jpg

does it look like anything to you folks?

Yeah, like one of the mechs from Bubblegum Crisis and AD Police.

It also has elements of the Predator, the Jaeger and the Flanker from Triax

Nekira Sudacne · Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:26 pm

will someone please shorten that damn link?

BookWyrm · Unread post by **BookWyrm** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:29 pm

I reccomend treading lightly. Copyright infringement is NASTY business, and Palladium could be dragged into court for years, not to mention shut down outright. In light of what happened recently, if Kev hasn't sufficient cause & evidence, let's not go there

Vrykolas2k · Unread post by **Vrykolas2k** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 6:40 pm

You know... there are only a finite number of ways to draw/design a robot, tank, space fighter, or whatever...

Subjugator · Unread post by **Subjugator** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 9:42 pm

Nekira Sudacne wrote:will someone please shorten that damn link?

...and here it is in shortened form:

http://tinyurl.com/rsqck

/Sub

Gomen_Nagai · Unread post by **Gomen_Nagai** » Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:38 pm

actually

All of rifts' Kevin long art was " Lifted " from Appleseed and Bubblegum Crisis and Other studio Nue projects

The gundamish mecha didn't arrive until late 90s

runebeo · Unread post by **runebeo** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:55 am

Not like palladium was doing any thing with them. Wheres our miniatures my transformers are boring me now.

Dead Boy · Unread post by **Dead Boy** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:05 pm

Sir Ysbadden wrote:
Gomen_Nagai wrote:actually

All of rifts' Kevin long art was " Lifted " from Appleseed and Bubblegum Crisis and Other studio Nue projects

The gundamish mecha didn't arrive until late 90s
Another true fact about the influances of the art

Quite true. For instance, is THIS a Triax Marauder or a Bubblegum Crisis Boomer? If you said the first, you'd be wrong. And if you think the Marauder predates the Boomer, you'd again be in the wrong. Bottom line is Palladium can't gripe too much because they've "taken inspiriation" for their art from others sources as well to such a degree in some instances that they are in no position to cry foul when others borrow form them.

Zer0 Kay · Unread post by **Zer0 Kay** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:30 am

Gomen_Nagai wrote:actually

All of rifts' Kevin long art was " Lifted " from Appleseed and Bubblegum Crisis and Other studio Nue projects

The gundamish mecha didn't arrive until late 90s

Do you mean that PB didn't start having Gundam infulence until the 90s or that Gundam wasn't around until the 90's? If it is the latter and not the former then... so what if it is the former and not the latter than :thwak:

Gundam has been around longer than that.

Zer0 Kay · Unread post by **Zer0 Kay** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:32 am

Dead Boy wrote:
Sir Ysbadden wrote:
Gomen_Nagai wrote:actually

All of rifts' Kevin long art was " Lifted " from Appleseed and Bubblegum Crisis and Other studio Nue projects

The gundamish mecha didn't arrive until late 90s
Another true fact about the influances of the art

Quite true. For instance, is THIS a Triax Marauder or a Bubblegum Crisis Boomer? If you said the first, you'd be wrong. And if you think the Marauder predates the Boomer, you'd again be in the wrong. Bottom line is Palladium can't gripe too much because they've "taken inspiriation" for their art from others sources as well to such a degree in some instances that they are in no position to cry foul when others borrow form them.

It is a type-C boomer duh. There is enough difference to notice. Saying that they look the same you can then say that everyone who has drawn a bipedal form has stolen from Leonardo.

Gomen_Nagai · Unread post by **Gomen_Nagai** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:47 am

Newton Ewell was the only gundam style artist Palladium hired which happened in the 90s.
Gustovich was their premiere artist before that and he had a very, DATED style.

Juankis · Unread post by **Juankis** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 7:49 pm

As for the Chaos eight pointed star, IIRC it originally appeared in the Elric/Stormbringer books by Michael Moorcock.

demos606 · Unread post by **demos606** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:51 pm

Actually, it was originally designed by Moorcock for the Stormbringer series and was later adopted for Chaos Magic (a very modern philosophy contrary to popular belief).