Rifts: Hawaii

James_9653 · Unread post by **James_9653** » Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:07 am

A new fan world book for your use.

Enjoy!

http://riftshawaii.weebly.com/

say652 · Unread post by **say652** » Sun Jul 05, 2015 11:10 am

Two thumbs up.
Very interesting read, with lots of cool monsters and Sea Otters!! What what!

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:41 pm

Interesting from the initial skim....

The Oh So Amazing Nate · Mon Jul 06, 2015 12:53 am

Hrmmm. this looks promising. After watching Lilo and Stitch (don't judge me!) I wanted an Islander Occ/Rcc. Can't wait to see what you've got here.

FrankSerpico · Unread post by **FrankSerpico** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 3:10 am

Really well-made netbook. Nice work

Library Ogre · Unread post by **Library Ogre** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:13 pm

The Oh So Amazing Nate wrote:Hrmmm. this looks promising. After watching Lilo and Stitch (don't judge me!) I wanted an Islander Occ/Rcc. Can't wait to see what you've got here.

Can we judge your fine taste in movies?

Ad res, it looks good, but I think it really needs an overview on the home page. Who are the Arcadians, why are they there, etc.. There's a lot of information, but it feels like a general overview of the history of the Islands (especially post-Rifts) and how they've changed from the modern islands would be really useful. Like you've set up some good mechanical bones to make everything run, but haven't adequately covered them with meat.

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 7:41 pm

I noted that too; there isn't an overall chapter on what's happened, where did these people come from, what the sitrep on the Islands and their part of the globe is...

Tor · Unread post by **Tor** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 8:57 pm

I find this thread suspiciously coincides with the night that Kane is absent from Monday Night Raw on a Hawaiian vacation that Seth Rollins sent him on.

What are chances of this web book becoming canon in future print?

abtex · Unread post by **abtex** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 10:11 pm

Like it as well. Will need to read it in depth.

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Tue Jul 07, 2015 10:55 am

Needs more volcanos, though. I figure the Coming of the Rifts woke up the Ring of Fire something fierce, and that should be reflected in any place there's lots of happy volcanism bubbling.

eliakon · Unread post by **eliakon** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 3:33 pm

Tor wrote:I find this thread suspiciously coincides with the night that Kane is absent from Monday Night Raw on a Hawaiian vacation that Seth Rollins sent him on.

What are chances of this web book becoming canon in future print?

Since he just made it impossible for Palladium to gain Copyright by releasing it electronically......
I would say the chances are somewhere between zero and none.

Zer0 Kay · Unread post by **Zer0 Kay** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 6:33 pm

They can get copyright. He is the original publisher, they buy the rights from him.
1. remove e-book
2. spruce it up and print it
3. profit
Saying just because it is released in digital means they can't get copyright... well, then how does WotC make money off all the digital stuff TSR released prior to being bought?

No, the issue would be that Hawaii is already in use by Greg Diaczyk.

abe · Unread post by **abe** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 8:39 pm

Is Pele in this book?

eliakon · Unread post by **eliakon** » Wed Jul 08, 2015 10:16 pm

Zer0 Kay wrote:They can get copyright. He is the original publisher, they buy the rights from him.
1. remove e-book
2. spruce it up and print it
3. profit
Saying just because it is released in digital means they can't get copyright... well, then how does WotC make money off all the digital stuff TSR released prior to being bought?

No, the issue would be that Hawaii is already in use by Greg Diaczyk.

Once it has been published in any format (including e-published) like this it would not be possible to retroactively copy write it. Unless he has an actual copyright held and filed with the original e-book (which he could then transfer). But a copyright has to be filed before 'first publication' (in any medium)
Hawaii being used already would be an issue as well.

(WotC makes money because they bought all the TSR copyrights)

The Oh So Amazing Nate · Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:24 am

Bah! on your copyright and 'rasslin' talk. Where are the bits about playing a (back to native/pre western encroachment) Islander. I want to see melee weapons made from fancy wood and MDC shark teeth, millennium tree outrigger canoe's, Hula Magic, Angry Volcano gods, all sorts of things from Hawaiian mythology and Hawaiian/Polynesian monsters (The return of the Menehune, The Night Marchers, etc)

Josh Hilden · Unread post by **Josh Hilden** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:07 am

You can't copyright a Fan-Fic which is what this is essentially is. Palladium would have to pay him if they wanted to publish it but that's not a big deal they used to to take submissions via fan material posted on fan sites back in the day when they were ubiquitous.

Zer0 Kay · Unread post by **Zer0 Kay** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:19 am

eliakon wrote:
Zer0 Kay wrote:They can get copyright. He is the original publisher, they buy the rights from him.
1. remove e-book
2. spruce it up and print it
3. profit
Saying just because it is released in digital means they can't get copyright... well, then how does WotC make money off all the digital stuff TSR released prior to being bought?

No, the issue would be that Hawaii is already in use by Greg Diaczyk.

Once it has been published in any format (including e-published) like this it would not be possible to retroactively copy write it. Unless he has an actual copyright held and filed with the original e-book (which he could then transfer). But a copyright has to be filed before 'first publication' (in any medium)
Hawaii being used already would be an issue as well.

(WotC makes money because they bought all the TSR copyrights)

Filed? When has that ever been necessary. Showing that you are the original publisher with a manuscript with a date stamp on a package mailed to yourself has been enough to prove when you made it and here there is a website with a file that will have date created. According to the copyright office, "[...]In general, registration is voluntary. Copyright exists from the moment the work is created. You will have to register, however, if you wish to bring a lawsuit for infringement of a U.S. work."

glitterboy2098 · Thu Jul 09, 2015 6:35 pm

Honestly I'm not at all impressed by this. Its yet another generic tech center. There is literally nothing that ties it to Hawaii. You could take it and drop it just about anywhere in the mega verse and nothing would change.
There is nothing of Hawaii's rich background and culture. Nothing of Hawaii's fascination folklore and mythology.
There is also zero explanation of how the islands managed to survive the cataclysm and develop technology that matches that of the NGR.

Nor is there any explanation for how the aliens got there, or why they are interested in taking Hawaii when their tech would let them conquer any part of the earth.

Zer0 Kay · Unread post by **Zer0 Kay** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:48 pm

glitterboy2098 wrote:Honestly I'm not at all impressed by this. Its yet another generic tech center. There is literally nothing that ties it to Hawaii. You could take it and drop it just about anywhere in the mega verse and nothing would change.
There is nothing of Hawaii's rich background and culture. Nothing of Hawaii's fascination folklore and mythology.
There is also zero explanation of how the islands managed to survive the cataclysm and develop technology that matches that of the NGR.

Nor is there any explanation for how the aliens got there, or why they are interested in taking Hawaii when their tech would let them conquer any part of the earth.

Harsh, but true. I'm glad to read that you like how rifts tries to mix in the regions folklore, legends and myths and then add high tech on top of it. Some people hate that. I for one really enjoyed England and its twist but took mine a little further and had Arthur return in England's time of need and had Merlin escort him back but as a young man. My PCs took part in helping Arthur retake the throne.

cawest · Unread post by **cawest** » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:21 pm

I would like to see more of a navy in an island base nation. you talk about the Vault and having some ships but I did not see any in your military. did I miss it? I think I saw it al ready but have some of the local folk lore. do you have the New Navy book? that might be of some use.

glitterboy2098 · Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:43 pm

Zer0 Kay wrote:Harsh, but true. I'm glad to read that you like how rifts tries to mix in the regions folklore, legends and myths and then add high tech on top of it. Some people hate that.

I'm not a big fan of 'take old society, add SciFi adjectives' myself, but the mix of magic and machinery in the same setting is one of the things that makes rifts unique.
In rifts magic and the supernatural is ever present. With the cataclysm all the stuff considered folklore, myth, and fantasy came flooding back.

If your going to write up a new region for rifts, you have to recognize that the magic and supernatural side exists, and that the folklore and mythology has a very tangible basis.
You don't have to focus on it if you don't want to but you do need to include material to address it.

Though personally I think folklore is a more fun source than mythology. Mythology tends to be deities and heroes. Epic scale stuff. Folklore tends to be more personal. Strange creatures and beings living unnoticed nearby, strange events that happened to a friend of a friend, etc.
Not everyone can meet Odin or ride with king Arthur... but just about any character can encounter a Domovoi or have to deal with a chupacabra.

James_9653 · Unread post by **James_9653** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 8:32 am

Looking over your comments and I agree that a lot of "stuff" is missing. Its hard to decide what to put in and what to leave out of a story/book, and that was the case here. When I wrote this originally I tried to keep to 160 page format Palladium typically uses for its books, so many ideas ended up being discarded. I have notes on Hawaiian Pantheon, over 100 new monsters, more tech. and tons more. As for the how and why Arcadia survived, your right I completely missed that - my fault 100%. I have ideas on how they survived and plan on writing something up. Be patient, and let me know what else you would like to see.

A quick note on Glitterboy2098's comment. The technological level the Arcadia's possess comes primarily from salvaged tech. Read the notes on The Vault and you will see that the USS Independence was the source. Additionally the Necron are the result of Wraithion's meddling with magic she misjudged, read her write up from additional background. I assume your criticism's were based on a quick skim of the book and not an in depth reading.

Zer0 Kay · Unread post by **Zer0 Kay** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 10:22 am

Okay, so (C) issues.
Necronowned by Games Workshop
Arcadia could arguably be claimed to be owned by Toei Animation, but is used in a lot of other places
Wraithion sounds like someone was trying to think up a new NPC name and after saw a Raytheon label on something, but that has nothing to do with (C) so it doesn't matter, just personal preference and an over familiarity with Raytheon products (radar).

James_9653 · Unread post by **James_9653** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:15 am

Necron - you might be right. I will think about a rename.
Arcadia - I should be safe with since it is a reference to ancient Greece and a utopian concept (of sorts).

glitterboy2098 · Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:53 pm

Why would the islanders use a Greek connected name though, instead of a Hawaiian or poynesian based naming scheme?
If they are prerifts islanders descended, they'd use their cultural sources. If they are more recent immigrants, youd think they'd use the prerifts names, which are linguistic mutations of Hawaiian/poynesian terms and names.

say652 · Unread post by **say652** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:04 pm

Pantheon you say!!!

That is more appropriate to my level of gaming.
And new tech is always cool to see.

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 12:27 pm

glitterboy2098 wrote:Why would the islanders use a Greek connected name though, instead of a Hawaiian or poynesian based naming scheme?
If they are prerifts islanders descended, they'd use their cultural sources. If they are more recent immigrants, youd think they'd use the prerifts names, which are linguistic mutations of Hawaiian/poynesian terms and names.

Cultural imperialism, if you came from a far away land, and don't particularly care about the local precedence. You put your own stamp on the land through your nomenclature and force anybody wanting to join your group to conform to the accepted new norm. A form of 'Year Zero' Syndrome.

say652 · Unread post by **say652** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 12:54 pm

They ole I claim this in the name of 'Murica!! Scenerio.

Thats actually a cool concept. Settling alien race but extremely cultural xenophobics. Conform or else...

Tor · Unread post by **Tor** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:44 pm

Weird... I just found out that Kane is actually the name of the greatest of the 4 prime Hawaiian gods... makes me wonder if WWE knew or if it's a coincidence.

Any chance of someone statting up the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiian_deities if a book comes?

Zer0 Kay · Unread post by **Zer0 Kay** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 5:21 pm

I've always had an issue with HI. It should be underwater, it is very in reach of the LotD and it should be underwater. Did I mention... yup.

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 8:02 pm

Zer0 Kay wrote:I've always had an issue with HI. It should be underwater, it is very in reach of the LotD and it should be underwater. Did I mention... yup.

Blasted into orbit Macross-style by its own volcanos....

Zer0 Kay · Unread post by **Zer0 Kay** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:27 pm

taalismn wrote:
Zer0 Kay wrote:I've always had an issue with HI. It should be underwater, it is very in reach of the LotD and it should be underwater. Did I mention... yup.

Blasted into orbit Macross-style by its own volcanos....

Lol

glitterboy2098 · Mon Jul 13, 2015 8:34 pm

Zer0 Kay wrote:I've always had an issue with HI. It should be underwater, it is very in reach of the LotD and it should be underwater. Did I mention... yup.

well, not entirely underwater.. the oceans only rose an average of 150ish feet, so most of the big islands would still be there, the coastlines would just be totally different.

within reach of the lord of the deep.. yeah, definately an issue. reachers can reach pretty much anywhere on earth that is ocean. though the LOTD only has a handful of reachers and the ocean is a fairly big place, so odds are the reachers themselves are not a common threat.

but Cult of the Deep though seems like it would be a big problem, since the LotD can create those just about anywhere, and they can infiltrate societies in ways that are hard to detect. (actually, i'd love to know more about the cult of the deep.. we don't really know much right now, but they'd be a really neat enemy for an ocean campaign.)

taalismn wrote:Blasted into orbit Macross-style by its own volcanos....

the Hawaiian volcano's are part of a hotspot.. the basaltic derived Magma that comes up is less dense and runnier than most others, plus they erupt on a regular basis, so the eruption during the cataclysm probably wouldn't result in it blowing its top. odds are though the ash, gas, and lava flows though would really mess up the ecosystem of the main island. any inhabitants not killed by the eruption would have to evacuate to one of the other islands (which are completely dead volcano's, which physically cannot erupt)

tidal waves would be a big issue as well.. Hawaii is far enough away from the volcano's of the pacific rim that normally tidal waves aren't super powerful, but with all the volcano's going off at once, some of those shockwaves would reinforce each other (or dampen out.. toss up really) into ones that could cause some serious damage to the islands. most of the coastal regions at least would suffer flooding damage and loss of life as a result. the biggest tidal waves would be due to the local activity.. earthquakes as a result of local volcanic eruption has been the cause of most of the tsunami that hit hawaiian shores. though said tsunami's are also usually some of the weakest they get.

James_9653 · Unread post by **James_9653** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:24 am

I had already thought of a few of those issues, but I have not finished the "official" write up.

So many of the volcanoes around the “Ring of Fire” were sealed/dormant and unable to release or maintain minimal pressure levels. The active volcanoes around Hawaii, which are in a constant state of eruption release excess pressure constantly. This constant release prevented the majority of explosive damage on Hawaii, versus inactive volcanoes around the world. What did erupt, while violent and deadly, had existing magma channels to flow down thereby directing a fair amount of the lava out to sea. Lastly, the toxic gasses and ash clouds associated with explosive volcanic activity were also mostly swept out to sea by Hawaii’s strong trade winds. Although the area in the path of the trade winds suffered a short term “nuclear winter” effect, the majority of the island was safe.

Tectonic shifts and volcanic explosions causes several tsunami along the rim of the “Ring of Fire”. Thankfully Hawaii also generated Tsunami’s when its volcanoes erupted, although not as powerful as those centred around the ring. The inbound tsunamis (generated along the ring) and the outbound tsunamis (those centered in Hawaii) cancelled each other out somewhere in the deep oceans. Inversely proportionate wave forms with cancel each other out. Although several tsunamis did make landfall, their power was greatly reduced. The single greatest loss was the city of Hilo, since it was located at the base of a large bay like geological structure the inbound tsunami wave was refocused as it made landfall.

Additionally, Hawaii underwater geology has for millennia helped protect it from tsunamis. Its deep water trenches and angle of incline from the sea floor also serve to depower most tsunami. Only the strongest waves impact Hawaii, and even then at a fraction of their original strength or power.

Zer0 Kay · Unread post by **Zer0 Kay** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:09 am

glitterboy2098 wrote:
Zer0 Kay wrote:I've always had an issue with HI. It should be underwater, it is very in reach of the LotD and it should be underwater. Did I mention... yup.

well, not entirely underwater.. the oceans only rose an average of 150ish feet, so most of the big islands would still be there, the coastlines would just be totally different.

within reach of the lord of the deep.. yeah, definately an issue. reachers can reach pretty much anywhere on earth that is ocean. though the LOTD only has a handful of reachers and the ocean is a fairly big place, so odds are the reachers themselves are not a common threat.

but Cult of the Deep though seems like it would be a big problem, since the LotD can create those just about anywhere, and they can infiltrate societies in ways that are hard to detect. (actually, i'd love to know more about the cult of the deep.. we don't really know much right now, but they'd be a really neat enemy for an ocean campaign.)

taalismn wrote:Blasted into orbit Macross-style by its own volcanos....

the Hawaiian volcano's are part of a hotspot.. the basaltic derived Magma that comes up is less dense and runnier than most others, plus they erupt on a regular basis, so the eruption during the cataclysm probably wouldn't result in it blowing its top. odds are though the ash, gas, and lava flows though would really mess up the ecosystem of the main island. any inhabitants not killed by the eruption would have to evacuate to one of the other islands (which are completely dead volcano's, which physically cannot erupt)

tidal waves would be a big issue as well.. Hawaii is far enough away from the volcano's of the pacific rim that normally tidal waves aren't super powerful, but with all the volcano's going off at once, some of those shockwaves would reinforce each other (or dampen out.. toss up really) into ones that could cause some serious damage to the islands. most of the coastal regions at least would suffer flooding damage and loss of life as a result. the biggest tidal waves would be due to the local activity.. earthquakes as a result of local volcanic eruption has been the cause of most of the tsunami that hit hawaiian shores. though said tsunami's are also usually some of the weakest they get.

Ah, but if the LotD found HI had a buffet for him, there is nothing to stop him from finding it again. Problem with fixed land masses.

About blasting off into space... I'm pretty sure he was joking.

Zer0 Kay · Unread post by **Zer0 Kay** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:18 am

James_9653 wrote:I had already thought of a few of those issues, but I have not finished the "official" write up.

So many of the volcanoes around the “Ring of Fire” were sealed/dormant and unable to release or maintain minimal pressure levels. The active volcanoes around Hawaii, which are in a constant state of eruption release excess pressure constantly. This constant release prevented the majority of explosive damage on Hawaii, versus inactive volcanoes around the world. What did erupt, while violent and deadly, had existing magma channels to flow down thereby directing a fair amount of the lava out to sea. Lastly, the toxic gasses and ash clouds associated with explosive volcanic activity were also mostly swept out to sea by Hawaii’s strong trade winds. Although the area in the path of the trade winds suffered a short term “nuclear winter” effect, the majority of the island was safe.

Tectonic shifts and volcanic explosions causes several tsunami along the rim of the “Ring of Fire”. Thankfully Hawaii also generated Tsunami’s when its volcanoes erupted, although not as powerful as those centred around the ring. The inbound tsunamis (generated along the ring) and the outbound tsunamis (those centered in Hawaii) cancelled each other out somewhere in the deep oceans. Inversely proportionate wave forms with cancel each other out. Although several tsunamis did make landfall, their power was greatly reduced. The single greatest loss was the city of Hilo, since it was located at the base of a large bay like geological structure the inbound tsunami wave was refocused as it made landfall.

Additionally, Hawaii underwater geology has for millennia helped protect it from tsunamis. Its deep water trenches and angle of incline from the sea floor also serve to depower most tsunami. Only the strongest waves impact Hawaii, and even then at a fraction of their original strength or power.

Hilo should have been underwater at only 59 feet above sea level.

James_9653 · Unread post by **James_9653** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:00 am

Coastal cities will always take the brunt of any tsunamis impact. But lets face facts, this is a fiction/fantasy setting. Physics aside, at some point an author decides what he/she wants about a story. In point of fact, what is the likelihood that Australia flooded as an inland sea? Realistically, the landmass should have been shrunk from the coast inward, reducing the landmass to a smaller island instead of a crescent shaped giant atoll. Much of the interior is at equal or greater elevations then the coast, so unless the middle (only) of a continental shelf decided to slip into the ocean, Australia should be shaped very differently. Even then, the same tsunami effects would have wiped out most of the survivors. Those that survived that would have most likely starved since vast tracks of farming land were destroyed..... Like I said, this is fiction and some decisions will always be arbitrary.

The Oh So Amazing Nate · Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:15 pm

The Yellowstone super eruption depleted a vast store of magma that would have/could have been used to wipe out Hawaii.

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:24 pm

Zer0 Kay wrote:[
About blasting off into space... I'm pretty sure he was joking.

Yah, but you gotta admit, Hawaii in SPPPPACCCEEEEE would have been funny....

eliakon · Unread post by **eliakon** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 4:10 pm

The Oh So Amazing Nate wrote:The Yellowstone super eruption depleted a vast store of magma that would have/could have been used to wipe out Hawaii.

Ummmmm they don't share magma pockets though..........they are on totally different plumes.

Library Ogre · Unread post by **Library Ogre** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 4:48 pm

eliakon wrote:Once it has been published in any format (including e-published) like this it would not be possible to retroactively copy write it. Unless he has an actual copyright held and filed with the original e-book (which he could then transfer). But a copyright has to be filed before 'first publication' (in any medium)
Hawaii being used already would be an issue as well.

This is not true.

I am not a lawyer, but general rule of Copyright is that the original author owns the copyright for the full, unreasonably long, copyright term. As something he owns, he can sell that copyright to others. Now, he wouldn't be able to claw back any copies others have made, but if Palladium wanted to turn it into an official sourcebook, they would contact him and offer to buy the work from him.

Now, as a derivative work (i.e. it uses and is based on IP owned by Palladium), the OP doesn't have complete control over it. While he can publish it on the web as a free resource, he can't sell it without violating Palladium's copyrights. His only available buyer (without stripping the serial numbers off, as it were, and publishing it as a general "Post-apocalyptic Hawaii with magic") is Palladium. However, because it's an original work of his (i.e. he wrote it, the ideas that went into it were his, even if they were based on others), Palladium can't publish it without his permission.

Zer0 Kay · Unread post by **Zer0 Kay** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:47 pm

taalismn wrote:
Zer0 Kay wrote:[
About blasting off into space... I'm pretty sure he was joking.

Yah, but you gotta admit, Hawaii in SPPPPACCCEEEEE would have been funny....

Pilot: Freedom Station this is Container One returning home with some munchies.
Control: I hear that Container One welcome back. I'm sure everyone will be happy to hear about the supplies.
Pilot: Don't suppose they'll give me some extra for all the trouble tha... what the flipity flarn was that?
Co-Pilot: Control please tell me you saw that!?
Control: I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of said surfboard and surfer... I mean no.

Zer0 Kay · Unread post by **Zer0 Kay** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:55 pm

Mark Hall wrote:
eliakon wrote:Once it has been published in any format (including e-published) like this it would not be possible to retroactively copy write it. Unless he has an actual copyright held and filed with the original e-book (which he could then transfer). But a copyright has to be filed before 'first publication' (in any medium)
Hawaii being used already would be an issue as well.

This is not true.

I am not a lawyer, but general rule of Copyright is that the original author owns the copyright for the full, unreasonably long, copyright term. As something he owns, he can sell that copyright to others. Now, he wouldn't be able to claw back any copies others have made, but if Palladium wanted to turn it into an official sourcebook, they would contact him and offer to buy the work from him.

Now, as a derivative work (i.e. it uses and is based on IP owned by Palladium), the OP doesn't have complete control over it. While he can publish it on the web as a free resource, he can't sell it without violating Palladium's copyrights. His only available buyer (without stripping the serial numbers off, as it were, and publishing it as a general "Post-apocalyptic Hawaii with magic") is Palladium. However, because it's an original work of his (i.e. he wrote it, the ideas that went into it were his, even if they were based on others), Palladium can't publish it without his permission.

That is the way the copyright offices web site puts it too.

Zer0 Kay · Unread post by **Zer0 Kay** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:03 pm

James_9653 wrote:Coastal cities will always take the brunt of any tsunamis impact. But lets face facts, this is a fiction/fantasy setting. Physics aside, at some point an author decides what he/she wants about a story. In point of fact, what is the likelihood that Australia flooded as an inland sea? Realistically, the landmass should have been shrunk from the coast inward, reducing the landmass to a smaller island instead of a crescent shaped giant atoll. Much of the interior is at equal or greater elevations then the coast, so unless the middle (only) of a continental shelf decided to slip into the ocean, Australia should be shaped very differently. Even then, the same tsunami effects would have wiped out most of the survivors. Those that survived that would have most likely starved since vast tracks of farming land were destroyed..... Like I said, this is fiction and some decisions will always be arbitrary.

Not true. IF Australia's outback was indeed an inland sea prehistorically and the receding water turned it into a desert then it is very possible that it could again be an inland sea; just like death valley should have become and much of the land along the Mississippi should be submerged.

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:13 pm

Zer0 Kay wrote:[

Pilot: Freedom Station this is Container One returning home with some munchies.
Control: I hear that Container One welcome back. I'm sure everyone will be happy to hear about the supplies.
Pilot: Don't suppose they'll give me some extra for all the trouble tha... what the flipity flarn was that?
Co-Pilot: Control please tell me you saw that!?
Control: I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of said surfboard and surfer... I mean no.

"Not that I'm complaining, but where'd you score all the frozen pineapple?"
"I have my sources."

say652 · Unread post by **say652** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:27 pm

With all the Volcano talk, why aren't Nimro, cyclops etc around??
Also Hephestaus would or should have a workshop near all this free energy.

New race idea. Mineral Humanoids that live in the lava.

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:50 pm

say652 wrote:With all the Volcano talk, why aren't Nimro, cyclops etc around??
Also Hephestaus would or should have a workshop near all this free energy.

New race idea. Mineral Humanoids that live in the lava.

Look at the Ferrikor Iron-Lord near the bottom of this page: http://www.palladiumbooks.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=68194&start=1000&view=print
That might fill the role.

Zer0 Kay · Unread post by **Zer0 Kay** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:44 am

taalismn wrote:
Zer0 Kay wrote:[

Pilot: Freedom Station this is Container One returning home with some munchies.
Control: I hear that Container One welcome back. I'm sure everyone will be happy to hear about the supplies.
Pilot: Don't suppose they'll give me some extra for all the trouble tha... what the flipity flarn was that?
Co-Pilot: Control please tell me you saw that!?
Control: I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of said surfboard and surfer... I mean no.

"Not that I'm complaining, but where'd you score all the frozen pineapple?"
"I have my sources."

All I'm willing to say is shaka brah

Library Ogre · Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:00 pm

say652 wrote:With all the Volcano talk, why aren't Nimro, cyclops etc around??
Also Hephestaus would or should have a workshop near all this free energy.

New race idea. Mineral Humanoids that live in the lava.

Why Hephestaus? I don't doubt that there are Hawaiian deities who would be far more interested in Hawaii's volcanos than Hephestaus.

say652 · Unread post by **say652** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:09 pm

He is rumored to have several workshops in active volcanoes, the ring of fire is volcano central on Rifts earth.
Imo 1+1= Hephestus woeking Hawaiian Volcanoes.