If I could've pick others too, I'd also have picked the neo-nazi one (minus the part about wanting total world conquest), and the ignorant one, and the magic one too.
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RainOfSteel wrote:
An excellent insight that hits the nail on the head with a rune-hammer.
Winter wrote:One of the best thought out answers on this forum I have read for a while
Toc Rat wrote:They are hardly Humanity's last chance, even for only the humans on Rifts Earth.
Nxla666 wrote:TOC!![]()
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Nice to hear from you again.![]()
BTW, you're wrong.
RainOfSteel wrote:
An excellent insight that hits the nail on the head with a rune-hammer.
Winter wrote:One of the best thought out answers on this forum I have read for a while
Toc Rat wrote:Nxla666 wrote:TOC!![]()
Your alive!![]()
Nice to hear from you again.![]()
BTW, you're wrong.
Was there any doubt my friend?![]()
Sorry for my absence of late but I have been rather pre-occupied with my new job. I am happy to report however, that I will soon be getting a L O T more free time. In this instance the word "soon" means next month.
Toc Rat wrote:The only ones? Have you read any of the other books? What about the NGR? The New Navy? The Republic of Japan? Heard of them? The list goes on and on too.
RainOfSteel wrote:
An excellent insight that hits the nail on the head with a rune-hammer.
Winter wrote:One of the best thought out answers on this forum I have read for a while
K20A2_S wrote:Yeah, you could just be a puppet for Dragons who runs a whole city/country like lazloToc Rat wrote:They are hardly Humanity's last chance, even for only the humans on Rifts Earth.![]()
CS tried to live in peace with diffrent people once, the FoM ruined it.
They simply go by what they have seen, and obviously the d-bees/magic users seem to show their darkside more than good......
Azrael wrote:I love the Coalition States. They provide me with an ample supply of D-Bee souls and spill the blood of countless innocents to help me reawaken my sleeping masters. Keep it up boys, good work.
Novastar wrote:Azrael wrote:I love the Coalition States. They provide me with an ample supply of D-Bee souls and spill the blood of countless innocents to help me reawaken my sleeping masters. Keep it up boys, good work.
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That was all kinds of awesome!
Shadyslug wrote:Where's the "I could care less" option?
taalismn wrote:Rimmerdal wrote:mmm Rifts street meat..
Flooper. Fried, broiled, or chipped.
It's like eating Chinese.
FLOOP! And you're hungry again.
Rimmerdal wrote:Shadyslug wrote:Where's the "I could care less" option?
same here, I have no hatred. Though My Psi-tech, Aster, would dislike many of there policies he would understand the situation.
Lobotaru wrote:Um, Emperor Prosek has taken a once good nation and twisted it into a hideous, hateful, and evil thing. At this point even after removing his regime it would take over a century to repair the sociological and psychological damage done to the once proud nation. The CS is not humanities last great hope, and has actually proved the opposite... under such a regime, things are only get worse, not better.
now you know how we feel about lazlo,new navy and the rest of the goody nation in rifts earth.Lobotaru wrote:I want to obliterate the CS from the face of the Earth even more than Splynn just because they annoy the CRAP out of me! There, now I feel better.
Ravenwing wrote:"Killing Dbee's isn't murder, they aren't human, it's pest control!"
Zardoz wrote:You have been raised up from Brutality, to kill the Brutals who multiply, and are legion. To this end, Zardoz your God gave you the gift of the Gun. The Gun is good!
DogBoyDetroit wrote:My characters are about to run into a very unusual npc (from their perspective).
A rogue scholar who views the cataclysm and rise of the coalition as a necessary step in the survival of mankind.
He has some crackpot idea about how before the coming of the rifts, humans fought wars and waged campaigns of genocide against eachother. Damned fool has some crazy thought in his head that even in safeholds of freedom and justice like the American Empire, people were regularly disicriminated against, attacked, and even killed because of how they looked or their ancestry. Such a thing is unimaginable for a Coalition citizen...humans discriminating against one another? How could such a thing have existed?
K20A2_S wrote:Yeah, it's much cooler to be human slave stock than a CS soldier.Lobotaru wrote:I want to obliterate the CS from the face of the Earth even more than Splynn just because they annoy the CRAP out of me! There, now I feel better.
R Ditto wrote:I dislike the CS for a few reasons:
1: They keep the people ignorant.
3: They got a good idea of what needs to be done, but go around doing everything in the wrong way.
If the CS is anti-magic to the extrme, and the Vanguard has to operate 'separate' of the CS, why horde magic items in the black vault?
4: SoT fiasco.
5: The CS is more or less by a facist regime.
6: They claim to be pro human...
7: Lack of creativity/development
Psi-stalkers and psychics are still human, though mutated
Crazy Lou wrote:Psi-stalkers and psychics are still human, though mutated
I never exactly understood why this was tolerated but other human mutants (even those who have totally human appearance and not extrememly dangerous powers) are "officially" not tolerated at all and are considered dangerous d-bees to be eliminated. Take for example a human mutant with the superpower of APS:Fire. Now, this is quite similar to the powers of a burster, but since the abilities can't be determined to stem from psionics, they are considered an inhuman menace.
My same sort of confusion extends to 100% human people from other planets. They aren't from Rifts Earth, but they're still human, and many (ie: those from HU or BTS) are actually from parallel dimensions. Why aren't they tolerated either? It just seems like a blatant double standard, and highly counterproductive.
Crazy Lou wrote:I never exactly understood why this was tolerated but other human mutants (even those who have totally human appearance and not extrememly dangerous powers) are "officially" not tolerated at all and are considered dangerous d-bees to be eliminated. Take for example a human mutant with the superpower of APS:Fire. Now, this is quite similar to the powers of a burster, but since the abilities can't be determined to stem from psionics, they are considered an inhuman menace.
My same sort of confusion extends to 100% human people from other planets. They aren't from Rifts Earth, but they're still human, and many (ie: those from HU or BTS) are actually from parallel dimensions. Why aren't they tolerated either? It just seems like a blatant double standard, and highly counterproductive.
mattyj77 wrote:Talavar wrote:I think it's pretty interesting that a lot of people are excusing the CS's Nazi-like actions "because they have reasons to act like that, and that the average CS citizen isn't evil."
Guess what: the average German citizen under the Nazis wasn't evil either! And the Nazis had reasons for what they were doing too.
Honestly, if the Coalition is humanity's best chance to survive in Rifts (I don't agree that it is), humans don't deserve to make it.
Ah, yes but the british and french are not fire breathing dragons and gibbering drool beasts that steal your children and set fire to your cat.
Pepsi Jedi wrote:Not trying to defend the CS totally or anything, but they're not flying around all day long looking for helpless women and children to kill just for sh!ts and giggles.
Sure there are some evil CS squads that might do this. Sure sometimes units are told to "Clear such and such area of Dbees in preperation of ____"
But by and large the CS isn't a genocidal nature. It's more an attack of oppertunity sort. The Burbs, right out side the CS cities abound with DBees. If they were really that opposed to them they simply wouldn't allow the burbs to exist.
Sure if the Dbee does _____ anything______ that the CS doesnt like it might get harrassed, roughed up, blown to smitherines. But by and large the CS have things like demons and the like to worry about first.
There's just a discongruity here. People act like the CS see a Dbee and scream bloody murder and call in a nuke strike.
It's very likly more like cops rousting bums. And if the bum back talks or does anything, they shoot um.
I"m sure it's much easier to go though and burn a village and send the DBees on there way from where ever the CS don't want them than become genocidal mass murderers on a daily basis.
You have to read between the lines to see it but the CS have nicknames and stuff for DBees from the burbs and what they regularly run into. So not all are being slaughtered on site.
Just... the "EVIL" sort of squads that plague player char's are the ones doing that. Your adverage CS grunt is probalby more happy sending the cute lil elf girl off into the woods for a few hours while they "question the suspishious Elf guys of the town" than screaming "KILL UM KILL UM ALL EVEN THE CUTE LITTLE GIRLS!!!!"
Ravenwing wrote:"Killing Dbee's isn't murder, they aren't human, it's pest control!"
Zardoz wrote:You have been raised up from Brutality, to kill the Brutals who multiply, and are legion. To this end, Zardoz your God gave you the gift of the Gun. The Gun is good!
Janissary wrote:Rain of Steel's issues are also very good and I agree, particuarly the point on the impossible CS numbers.
Janissary wrote:Janissary (in another post) wrote:A little while back I put up a topic that dealt with this issue. Here is a reposting of one of my posts there.
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Ravenwing wrote:"Ordanship".
Pepsi Jedi wrote:Not trying to defend the CS totally or anything, but they're not flying around all day long looking for helpless women and children to kill just for sh!ts and giggles.
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But by and large the CS isn't a genocidal nature. It's more an attack of oppertunity sort. The Burbs, right out side the CS cities abound with DBees. If they were really that opposed to them they simply wouldn't allow the burbs to exist.
It's very likly more like cops rousting bums. And if the bum back talks or does anything, they shoot um.
RainOfSteel wrote:Ravenwing wrote:"Ordanship".
Can you enlighten?
Ravenwing wrote:RainOfSteel wrote:Ravenwing wrote:"Ordanship".
Can you enlighten?
In my rifts game [...]
RainOfSteel wrote:Ravenwing wrote:RainOfSteel wrote:Ravenwing wrote:"Ordanship".
Can you enlighten?
In my rifts game [...]
I was actually looking for a definition of "ordanship", never having seen the word before, and Google not returning any results for it.
I realize it might have been a typo, but I could not figure out any other word based on possible letter switches (I'm pretty bad at that type of word game).
Ravenwing wrote:ok, my best spelling of it. Or-dane-ship. It means "meant by God"
RainOfSteel wrote:Ravenwing wrote:ok, my best spelling of it. Or-dane-ship. It means "meant by God"
Thank you!
I think you were looking for "Divinely Ordained".
R Ditto wrote:Ninjabunny wrote:I think the Merc guide said something about the CS being able to shoot things down Miles outside their claimed territory?
Yeah, I know it is mentioned under the Air Castle Bomber description.
It says the CS will shoot down one if it comes within 100 miles of their airspace.
That's like shooting someone on the other side of town with a small howitzer because they have an ATV and you are afraid they are going to use it to tresspass on you property and tear up your front lawn with it...
RainOfSteel wrote:Pepsi Jedi wrote:Not trying to defend the CS totally or anything, but they're not flying around all day long looking for helpless women and children to kill just for sh!ts and giggles.
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But by and large the CS isn't a genocidal nature. It's more an attack of oppertunity sort. The Burbs, right out side the CS cities abound with DBees. If they were really that opposed to them they simply wouldn't allow the burbs to exist.
It's very likly more like cops rousting bums. And if the bum back talks or does anything, they shoot um.
There really is a giant incongruity in described CS behavior.
What you describe seems true, pre-Siege on Tolkeen. Only select groups of CS troops obliterate every non-human living thing in their path. Most simply treat non-humans with varying degrees of suspicion and prejudice, bullying, short-changing, theft, eviction, etc.
Post-Siege on Tolkeen, it's a different story, and what you describe goes by the wayside as the CS spends several years dramatically upping their own rhetoric to the point where the entire army (almost all the adult population of the Chi Town, if you believe the given numbers) is constantly whipped into a "kill all non-humans" on sight fervor. The civilian population will hardly receive much less in the way of propangadistic bombardment.
Pepsi Jedi wrote:[...]
The front line war troops are rotated home [...] and new fresh faced recently trained recruits will rotate out.
mattyj77 wrote:Talavar wrote:I think it's pretty interesting that a lot of people are excusing the CS's Nazi-like actions "because they have reasons to act like that, and that the average CS citizen isn't evil."
Guess what: the average German citizen under the Nazis wasn't evil either! And the Nazis had reasons for what they were doing too.
Honestly, if the Coalition is humanity's best chance to survive in Rifts (I don't agree that it is), humans don't deserve to make it.
Ah, yes but the british and french are not fire breathing dragons and gibbering drool beasts that steal your children and set fire to your cat.