Axelmania wrote:Hm, it is for some creatures... but even then if they spend most of their time on the Inner Plane (where you fly at normal speeds, not mach speeds) they still might not be accustomed to flying mach if they enter Earth to coexist with it.
It would only be a natural state for something who's natural state is coexistence. Seriously, things that don't leave the Inner Planes wouldn't have the natural reflexes for this.
Which would mean that in the context of Nightbane... Tortorians and maybe Necrophim...
Oops.
So the Nightlords Minions are the ones that are able to handle this best and the Nighbane are out of their depth?
Hmmm, guess this is another reason why Nightbane are not winning the war solo
Axelmania wrote:Nightbane who start with Astral Self at 1st level and can spend an indefinite amount of time in astral form might also arguably adopt that as their natural state.
No, that is still not their natural state.
They are not naturally that way ergo that is not how they are designed to function.
They do not get a neurological system optimized for functioning that way.
"I can learn to do something unnatural" is not and can never be a natural state.
Axelmania wrote:"Natural" is sort of a subjective declaration here. If it means "I'm now able to move at speeds I couldn't move at before" then this would also describe someone who suddenly quintipled from Spd 4 to Spd 20 by getting a maximal 4D4 bonus from the running skill by selecting it as a free skill upon a new experience level, or learning it in a matter of weeks via the time-based skill acquisition rules in HU (college) or Rifts (rogue scholar).
Again you are trying to make imaginary differences by comparing false equivalences.
A miniscule change in Spd, from 4 to 20 does not require changing your neurological systems to compensate.
A change from Spd 4 to 400+ does.
Especially if you are using an imaginary set up that requires that you change the meaning of several words, use an artificial change to the rules, and argue that the rules mean the opposite of what they state...
Training slowly where you build up your speed over a period of time incrementally, with the changes happening gradually and the end result having no appreciable difference to reaction times as measured by the normal range of your species and thus the normal level of neurological wiring and adaption of your species is nothing at all remotely like suddenly gaining speeds hundreds of times faster than the fastest members of your species in a matter of seconds, literally one second you have regular speed for your race the next you are moving hundreds of times faster than any member of your race has ever moved with out the assistance of advanced technology...
Not At All The Same
Trying to compare them is a fake equivalence.
Axelmania wrote:It's possible that a Nightbane could be spending years getting accustomed to his new speed compared to someone is 5x faster a runner
than they were a couple weeks ago."
1) You are still conflating two different things and trying to pretend that they are the same.
They are not.
2) A GM could allow at their table as a house rule that you can learn to compensate for super speeds sure...
...but it is nothing that is supported by the canon, nor is it a reason to suppose that Nightbane with Astral Self should be winning the war solo.