The ultimate Anti-Dogboy ..

Lenwen · Unread post by **Lenwen** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 4:25 pm

What would make the ultimate Anti-Dogboy anyone ?

cyber-yukongil v2.5 · Fri Dec 18, 2009 4:27 pm

sentient mobile rolled-up newspaper

Lenwen · Unread post by **Lenwen** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 4:30 pm

cyber-yukongil v2.5 wrote:sentient mobile rolled-up newspaper

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:04 pm

Supernatural Fleas....

jaymz · Unread post by **jaymz** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:06 pm

taalismn wrote:Supernatural Fleas....

I giant fire hydrant that eats dog boys when they try to mark it

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:19 pm

jaymz wrote:
taalismn wrote:Supernatural Fleas....

I giant fire hydrant that eats dog boys when they try to mark it

Shapeshifting carnivore with Mask PPE? Ewww....nasty....

Lenwen · Unread post by **Lenwen** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:24 pm

Loving this thread hahaha !!

Balabanto · Unread post by **Balabanto** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:47 pm

The real answer is anyone with Simple Invisibility, Aura of Death, and Mystic Invisibility.

jaymz · Unread post by **jaymz** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 6:13 pm

no body wasts your logic you silly person you

RoadWarriorFWaNK · Fri Dec 18, 2009 6:23 pm

The CS Officer that commands it.

Daniel Stoker · Fri Dec 18, 2009 6:53 pm

Cyborg Bob Barker?

Daniel Stoker

Balabanto · Unread post by **Balabanto** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 6:56 pm

RPGMAN wrote:Where's Mystic Invisibility listed? I just checked my RUE and BoM and couldn't find it in either.

Rifts Mercenary Adventures. Level 7. 25 PPE. 5 minutes per level. Invisible to all magical and psychic senses. Combined with the other two spells, this means you can mow through everything like they have no idea you're there. All they can do is guess your position and fire missiles.

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 7:23 pm

Daniel Stoker wrote:Cyborg Bob Barker?

Daniel Stoker

Ouch....
"Doc...we came here because of his leg! His LEG!..Now he just sits there and glowers at us all the time!"

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 9:04 pm

Darkorinth wrote:
Thanks for making my 16 hour work day pass jsut a little faster.

We who sit and stare also serve...

Subjugator · Unread post by **Subjugator** » Fri Dec 18, 2009 11:31 pm

A techno-wizard vacuum cleaner.

Gazirra · Unread post by **Gazirra** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:53 pm

A rune chew toy? :clown:

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 4:13 pm

Urine-triggered explosive tree mine....

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:59 pm

Explosive ChewToy

asajosh · Unread post by **asajosh** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:20 pm

side of bacon laced with arsenic?

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:44 pm

Mutant Porcupines...
I knew a golden retriever who just couldn't stay away from the regular kind...
Went by the name 'Jawbone'...by the time we'd headlocked him twice and pulled spines out of his nose, we knew him as 'Bonehead'...

Lenwen · Unread post by **Lenwen** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 6:07 pm

Psionic's
Mask ISP/Psionic's
Plus ..
Mask PPE
Plus ..
Invisibility - Lesser
Plus ..
Aura of Death

Equals Dead Dogboys ..

Shark_Force · Unread post by **Shark_Force** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:20 pm

Lenwen wrote:Psionic's
Mask ISP/Psionic's
Plus ..
Mask PPE
Plus ..
Invisibility - Lesser
Plus ..
Aura of Death

Equals Dead Dogboys ..

several of those are (oddly) mutually exclusive. replace the psionic powers (which for some unfathomable reason prevent you from using other psionics of any type, iirc) with mystic invisibility. (or such is my understanding)

DtMK · Unread post by **DtMK** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:32 pm

A Dog Girl 'bot covered in female in heat pheromones, rigged with a self destruct switch and a Type 3 fusion block squeak toy!

Lenwen · Unread post by **Lenwen** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:32 pm

RPGMAN wrote:Mask ISP/Psionics prevents you from activating other psionics when you have it up. So you to activate Mask PPE, *then* activate Mask ISP/Psionics and hope the duration for Mask PPE doesn't expire while you are heading through that Dog Boy check point.

I would think that a psionic version of Mystic Invisibility would be a no-brainer for some Mystic to come up with. As soon as the Mystic sees the spell done or hears about it, he/she could "intuitively" manifest it at the next level they get a psi power.

After having heard of Mystic Invisibility, I created a magic item with that power. I'm sure it will be a hot seller in Stormspire and Kingsdale.

Only Psionic's I listed were ..

Mask ISP/Psionic's .. and .. Mask PPE.

And then Invisibility - Lesser and Aura of Death = Spells ..

Proseksword · Unread post by **Proseksword** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 10:15 am

Are Dog Boys really enough of a threat to warrant a special way of fighting them? Killing one should only require a called shot with an MD attack to the face, since most Dog Boys don't even where full environmental armor.

jaymz · Unread post by **jaymz** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 10:39 am

Proseksword wrote:Are Dog Boys really enough of a threat to warrant a special way of fighting them? Killing one should only require a called shot with an MD attack to the face, since most Dog Boys don't even where full environmental armor.

Now there you go ruining everyones fun by being all logical and intelligent HOW DARE YOU SIR!!!!

This messeage brought to you as a joke

Dead Boy · Unread post by **Dead Boy** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 2:31 am

Proseksword wrote:Are Dog Boys really enough of a threat to warrant a special way of fighting them? Killing one should only require a called shot with an MD attack to the face, since most Dog Boys don't even where full environmental armor.

(Two-melee attack set-up & execution) + (Dog Boy's sense of Sixth Sense) = (Dog dives behind cover before that shot gets off, spoiling the called shot)

Lenwen · Unread post by **Lenwen** » Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:42 am

Dead Boy wrote:
Proseksword wrote:Are Dog Boys really enough of a threat to warrant a special way of fighting them? Killing one should only require a called shot with an MD attack to the face, since most Dog Boys don't even where full environmental armor.

(Two-melee attack set-up & execution) + (Dog Boy's sense of Sixth Sense) = (Dog dives behind cover before that shot gets off, spoiling the called shot)

Aura of Death + Invisibility (Lesser) + Mask ISP/Psionic's + Mask PPE = 1 Dead Dogboy .. 6th sense or not ..

Agree or disagree ?

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:42 am

Proseksword wrote:Are Dog Boys really enough of a threat to warrant a special way of fighting them? Killing one should only require a called shot with an MD attack to the face, since most Dog Boys don't even where full environmental armor.

Style over Substance, please... :-D

Given how Dog Packs are the bane of magic users, after Psi-Stalkers, I'm sure quite a few magic users pass time at bars swapping ideas how to both eliminate AND simultaneously humiliate the furballs...

dark brandon · Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:15 pm

Lenwen wrote:
Dead Boy wrote:
Proseksword wrote:Are Dog Boys really enough of a threat to warrant a special way of fighting them? Killing one should only require a called shot with an MD attack to the face, since most Dog Boys don't even where full environmental armor.

(Two-melee attack set-up & execution) + (Dog Boy's sense of Sixth Sense) = (Dog dives behind cover before that shot gets off, spoiling the called shot)

Aura of Death + Invisibility (Lesser) + Mask ISP/Psionic's + Mask PPE = 1 Dead Dogboy .. 6th sense or not ..

Agree or disagree ?

I disagree. Mask PPE doesn't state that it hides spells so Invisibilty and AoD would still trigger a dog-boys sense. Sense magic as well as the dog boys ability to sense spells would still trigger.

Anti-Dog boy: Mask PPE, Mask ISP/Psionics, covered in mud to reduce scent and Prowl skill (or invisibility superior) + an Area of effect weapon (so it doesn't matter if you have a+6 to dodge.)

Zer0 Kay · Unread post by **Zer0 Kay** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 3:37 pm

a normal water spray bottle.
:lol:

* No bark bad boy
* No bark
* Baaaad

or maybe a new DB... the Dog Whisperer

killhound · Unread post by **killhound** » Fri Jan 01, 2010 3:29 am

IT'S NOT FENRY DEMONS :lol:

G · Unread post by G » Fri Jan 01, 2010 4:53 pm

If they aren't wearing fully environmental armor a plasma grenade can take at least one at a time.

Exploding chew toys work too...they are part of the standard CS dogboy training; as the CS doesn't like its dogboys to bite.

Dead Boy · Unread post by **Dead Boy** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 2:07 am

Lenwen wrote:
Dead Boy wrote:
Proseksword wrote:Are Dog Boys really enough of a threat to warrant a special way of fighting them? Killing one should only require a called shot with an MD attack to the face, since most Dog Boys don't even where full environmental armor.

(Two-melee attack set-up & execution) + (Dog Boy's sense of Sixth Sense) = (Dog dives behind cover before that shot gets off, spoiling the called shot)

Aura of Death + Invisibility (Lesser) + Mask ISP/Psionic's + Mask PPE = 1 Dead Dogboy .. 6th sense or not ..

Agree or disagree ?

Oops! Didn't mean to overlook this one for so long. Sorry about that. :oops:

I DISAGREE with that assertion.

Firstly, Mask PPE and Mask ISP cannot be used together. Each negates the use of any other psi powers once activated. So pick one, 'cause you can't have both on at the same time.

Secondly, that Invisibility Lesser spell won't do you a lot of good with the character surrounded "in a numbus of flickering, purplish black flames." (FoM pg 134) Kind of defeats the purpose of invisibility, now doesn't it. So once their Sixth Sense kicks in, all they have to do is spot the incredibly obvious threat, and take action.

Thirdly, since you can only have Mask PPE OR Mask ISP/Psi, the Dog Boys will pick up on one or the other, so the jig is pretty much up the moment your dog killer comes in range. You can't sneak up on them... period.

Fourthly, since that Aura of Death make the person appear to be dead by all the relevant senses, I bet the stink of death would fill the Dog Boy's hyper-sensitive noses real quick, allowing them to zero in on the threat real fast that way too.

Bottom line: Dog Boys know you're coming no matter how you try to gift-wrap yourself and Trojan horse you way into striking range. Not only do they know you're there, pretty much were you are, and if you're a deadly threat, they know what you had for breakfast that morning from the stink on your breath at a hundred meters out.

airdale91 wrote:
Dead Boy wrote:(Two-melee attack set-up & execution) + (Dog Boy's sense of Sixth Sense) = (Dog dives behind cover before that shot gets off, spoiling the called shot)

Make the shot from a Glitter Boy = What cover???

Ok, I'll give you that one. :lol:

Lenwen · Unread post by **Lenwen** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 3:13 am

Sixth Sense has a range of 90ft.

If some one is going to attack a Dogboy from beyond the range of the ability of sixth sense ..

Do you think the Sixth Sense would or would not pick it up ?

dark brandon · Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:09 pm

Lenwen wrote:Sixth Sense has a range of 90ft.

If some one is going to attack a Dogboy from beyond the range of the ability of sixth sense ..

Do you think the Sixth Sense would or would not pick it up ?

Instead of a dog boy, what about just your typical psychic?

For example, a Mystic who has 6th sense is going to be sniped by a CS solder at 100 ft away, would you allow it to go off?

From the psychic description, I am going to say "yes" because the 90 ft is for anyone within 90ft of the psychic. Now, there is good cause to say "no"...because it also goes on to say "a trap or ambush within 90ft". The reason I read it as it will go off is because the trap or ambush seems to indicate the danger itself, where as the first part indicates a danger to the character or someone near him directly.

But, i will not argue with someone who thinks the danger and the person themselves are both one and the same. They'd have a good point, but you'd be lessening it's effects for every psychic, including Mind melters, mystics and Cyber Knights.

Lenwen · Unread post by **Lenwen** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 4:42 pm

dark brandon wrote:
Lenwen wrote:Sixth Sense has a range of 90ft.

If some one is going to attack a Dogboy from beyond the range of the ability of sixth sense ..

Do you think the Sixth Sense would or would not pick it up ?

Instead of a dog boy, what about just your typical psychic?

For example, a Mystic who has 6th sense is going to be sniped by a CS solder at 100 ft away, would you allow it to go off?

From the psychic description, I am going to say "yes" because the 90 ft is for anyone within 90ft of the psychic. Now, there is good cause to say "no"...because it also goes on to say "a trap or ambush within 90ft". The reason I read it as it will go off is because the trap or ambush seems to indicate the danger itself, where as the first part indicates a danger to the character or someone near him directly.

But, i will not argue with someone who thinks the danger and the person themselves are both one and the same. They'd have a good point, but you'd be lessening it's effects for every psychic, including Mind melters, mystics and Cyber Knights.

Very well said.

And I sorta agree .. my view is 6th sense grants you those bonas's for within the alloted 90ft area ..

After the 90ft area .. it in my world does not work ..

I do not take the liberty of reading more then what is in the descriptions of either spells or Psionic abilities.

I follow them to the letter of the description ..

Dead Boy · Unread post by **Dead Boy** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:58 pm

Darkorinth wrote:If you are talking purely their sense of smell, then just approach from down wind. After all people who know what they are doing (not like me) sneak up on animals all the time. Just ask any hunter if it is possible.

And ask those hunters if they'd risk it if the animals were carrying guns to shoot back with. If they fail out in the forest stalking a deer, the deer runs away. No harm, no foul. But the wind can shift or lull down without waring. If the trick doesn't work against a squad of Dogboys... unpleasant things will befall the would-be hunter. And besides which, being down wind doesn't completely mask one's odor, it just diminishes it (in game terms probably resulting in a -25% penalty on percentiles, or a -5 on the newer D20 perception roll tables). And to make it that much harder, there are usually no fewer than four Dog Boys per chance encounter (half the time accompanies with a Psi-Stalker), meaning the chance of even one of them noticing your smell, or the crack of a twig, or some tip-off goes up not a factor of three, but by the power of three with just four dogs.

Lenwen wrote:Sixth Sense has a range of 90ft.

If some one is going to attack a Dogboy from beyond the range of the ability of sixth sense ..

Do you think the Sixth Sense would or would not pick it up ?

Nice try. That range is only applicable to detecting danger befalling others who the character cares about. If that other character is beyond the range of 90 feet (+x'/per level?), THEN the psychic can't use sixth sense to have flashes of danger about the befall on their buddy.

And in the future I advise you try not to screw your OWN psychic characters in the process of trying to bag yourself a Dog Boy. If this were true, then it wold be applicable to non-CS psychics too and cut both ways.

dark brandon wrote:Instead of a dog boy, what about just your typical psychic?

Because Lenwen is determined to kill himself a Coalition Dog Boy, stemming from his irrational loathing and deep seeded hatred of the CS. Plus I'm sure he'd like to get revenge for the thorough thrashing he received in his hypothetical match up between four Dog Boys and two Ferny Demon Dogs on the floor of the Coliseum, despite all the ways he tried to stack the deck against the Dog Boys. :lol:

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Sun Jan 03, 2010 3:14 pm

Dead Boy wrote:Because Lenwen is determined to kill himself a Coalition Dog Boy, stemming from his irrational loathing and deep seeded hatred of the CS. Plus I'm sure he'd like to get revenge for the thorough thrashing he received in his hypothetical match up between four Dog Boys and two Ferny Demon Dogs on the floor of the Coliseum, despite all the ways he tried to stack the deck against the Dog Boys.

We all have our hangups...Mine is the CS lieutenant who keeps insisting on stealing my parking spot, citing national security...

killhound · Unread post by **killhound** » Mon Jan 04, 2010 3:19 am

thats what i thought lenwen has an ax to grind and the poor dog boy is his victum

Dead Boy · Unread post by **Dead Boy** » Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:12 pm

killhound wrote:thats what i thought lenwen has an ax to grind and the poor dog boy is his victum

Not as long as we're here to defend them.

Lenwen · Unread post by **Lenwen** » Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:15 am

Dead Boy wrote:
Lenwen wrote:Sixth Sense has a range of 90ft.

If some one is going to attack a Dogboy from beyond the range of the ability of sixth sense ..

Do you think the Sixth Sense would or would not pick it up ?

Nice try. That range is only applicable to detecting danger befalling others who the character cares about. If that other character is beyond the range of 90 feet (+x'/per level?), THEN the psychic can't use sixth sense to have flashes of danger about the befall on their buddy.

And in the future I advise you try not to screw your OWN psychic characters in the process of trying to bag yourself a Dog Boy. If this were true, then it wold be applicable to non-CS psychics too and cut both ways.

So after the whole nice try thing .. you say 90ft is not the range for self .. it is the range for "others" ..

Yet .. you do not show me what the "range" is ..

Curious .. what is the range of 6th sense .. for "Self" protection if it is not the 90ft area ?

You have piquied my interest now ..

Shark_Force · Unread post by **Shark_Force** » Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:24 am

Lenwen wrote:So after the whole nice try thing .. you say 90ft is not the range for self .. it is the range for "others" ..

Yet .. you do not show me what the "range" is ..

Curious .. what is the range of 6th sense .. for "Self" protection if it is not the 90ft area ?

You have piquied my interest now ..

there are entire thread topics discussing just this question.

the short version is that this power seems to have been rewritten a few times, none of those times are compatible with each other, and none of them are even particularly clear how they work, as far as i can tell. sixth sense can basically be interpreted however you feel like, because if you try to run it the way it is in the books, you have to figure out which book has the "correct" version of how the power works.

personally, i would have it trigger for any threat against the character who has the power, regardless of range, and i would allow the power to also work for people the psychic has a strong emotional bond to against a threat from any range, provided the person the psychic has a strong emotional bond to is within 90 feet of the psychic.

but, as i said, that's just one of the many ways the power could be interpreted, and i have no particular attachment to claiming that interpretation as being 'official'; it is merely my personal understanding of how the power works. it is not particularly less valid to have it only function for threats that are within 90 feet of the psychic.

Dead Boy · Unread post by **Dead Boy** » Fri Jan 08, 2010 5:13 am

Lenwen wrote:
Dead Boy wrote:
Lenwen wrote:Sixth Sense has a range of 90ft.

If some one is going to attack a Dogboy from beyond the range of the ability of sixth sense ..

Do you think the Sixth Sense would or would not pick it up ?

Nice try. That range is only applicable to detecting danger befalling others who the character cares about. If that other character is beyond the range of 90 feet (+x'/per level?), THEN the psychic can't use sixth sense to have flashes of danger about the befall on their buddy.

And in the future I advise you try not to screw your OWN psychic characters in the process of trying to bag yourself a Dog Boy. If this were true, then it wold be applicable to non-CS psychics too and cut both ways.

So after the whole nice try thing .. you say 90ft is not the range for self .. it is the range for "others" ..

Yet .. you do not show me what the "range" is ..

Curious .. what is the range of 6th sense .. for "Self" protection if it is not the 90ft area ?

You have piquied my interest now ..

Shark_Force pretty much hit the nail on the head.

Generally speaking, I would argue that because the power warns of dangers to the person's "self", it doesn't matter what the range of the threatening attack is because "you" are never out of range of "yourself". Being triggered for friends & loved ones at the 90' range or less is really just icing on the cake for this power.

Think of it this way. The power of 6th Sense can be generally regarded as a precognitive ability that is looking out for danger 60 seconds in the future at all times, 24/7, and when a danger is detected and determined to be sufficiently dangerous, a flash is triggered in the psychic's mind. So it doesn't matter how far away the threat is positioned in relation to the psychic, because it is the life-threatening danger and potential future death of the psychic that matters. If the psychic's life is in danger of being snuffed out inside of a 60 second window of time, it is that future and yet-to-be brush with death that triggers Sixth Sense, not the threat itself.