Who is the most powerfull single Merc Outfit in N.A. ?

Lenwen · Unread post by **Lenwen** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 2:07 am

Flat out who is the most powerfull merc outfit in North America ?

Merc as in no strings to any established N.A. powerbase for support of any kind ..

As in they support themselves an are ready to hit the ground an in effect go to war that very second they land in theater ..

What say you ?

Samored II · Unread post by **Samored II** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:15 am

K20A2_S wrote:that or that other outfit in Rifts Mercenaries that has a bunch of greater demons as their leaders......forgot their name.....

Armageddon Incorporated.

Dustin Fireblade · Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:57 am

Naptown Wendigo wrote:I believe Larsen's Brigade is ahead of anyone else by quite a bit.

Agreed.

If anyone is familiar with BattleTech, they are the Rifts version of Wolf's Dragoons IMHO.

Lenwen · Unread post by **Lenwen** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:17 pm

Larsens Brigade is more powerfull then JAL ?

glitterboy2098 · Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:21 pm

Lenwen wrote:Larsens Brigade is more powerfull then JAL ?

JAL isn't a mercenary unit. it's a Micronation. pretty much a text book Horde.

Lenwen · Unread post by **Lenwen** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:27 pm

glitterboy2098 wrote:
Lenwen wrote:Larsens Brigade is more powerfull then JAL ?

JAL isn't a mercenary unit. it's a Micronation. pretty much a text book Horde.

Why are they considered a Mirconation ?

glitterboy2098 · Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:28 pm

Lenwen wrote:
glitterboy2098 wrote:
Lenwen wrote:Larsens Brigade is more powerfull then JAL ?

JAL isn't a mercenary unit. it's a Micronation. pretty much a text book Horde.

Why are they considered a Mirconation ?

they are not recognized by any major power.

though dubbing them such is really a case of semantics. they also have similarities to Self-determination groups, as well as similarities to many historical anarchist movements.

i choose to dub them a nomadic microstate since they really aren't rebelling against any specific power, as in the case of self-determination movements, and they do have a clear governmental structure (even if basically a tribal structure), so they aren't true anarchists.

Lenwen · Unread post by **Lenwen** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:34 pm

glitterboy2098 wrote:
Lenwen wrote:
glitterboy2098 wrote:
Lenwen wrote:Larsens Brigade is more powerfull then JAL ?

JAL isn't a mercenary unit. it's a Micronation. pretty much a text book Horde.

Why are they considered a Mirconation ?

they are not recognized by any major power.

Thier recognized by the Coalition ..
(Aftermath) one entire field army (24'ooo Troops)retreated when they seen them camped directly between The CS an the Flee'ing Dbee populace ..
Colonel Lyboc himself advised against engauging the JAL to General Wallace . Who had also thought better about attacking them as well ..

glitterboy2098 · Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:44 pm

recognized as a military force and recognized as a legitimate nation are two different things. we recognize Al Qeada as an irregular military force, but not as a government, for example.

the first involves "hey, those guys over there might be a threat to us", the other is "hey, those guys over there might be willing to trade with us"

Lenwen · Unread post by **Lenwen** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:52 pm

Understood ..

But I still dont understand why you consider JAL a micronation instead of a Merc army .

glitterboy2098 · Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:54 pm

Lenwen wrote:Understood ..

But I still dont understand why you consider JAL a micronation instead of a Merc army .

because a merc army hires itself out to fight for others. the JAL does not.

Lenwen · Unread post by **Lenwen** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:05 pm

Ahh ..

Ok I git it now :lol:

They are not hired for the aftermath incident .. Julian the First simply said yeah we will do this for ya Lord Coak .

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:10 pm

I agree about Larson's Brigade being the largest merc unit in NA. Of course according to the 109 update. It sounds like they might be a divisional sized.

Rimmerdal · Unread post by **Rimmerdal** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:16 pm

Yeah, Larsens brigade woud be number one. Armagedon Unlimited (Arhieman supported) and the 'Horsemen' (the Atlantis supported group) would be second due there contacts. Both have backing by some serious powerhouses.

killhound · Unread post by **killhound** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:32 am

the term micro-nation would imply that the JAL actually has borders where would that be? a rough guess would be fine.

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:29 am

We'll have to see if they have claimed any terratory. It would sort of a beneficial dictatorship. Since all of the members are following Julius.

SkyeFyre · Unread post by **SkyeFyre** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:20 am

Yep, agreed. Larsen's boys are at the top.

sHaka · Unread post by **sHaka** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:43 am

Anyone know how the AMC compare? (at work away from my copy of Mercs and Arzno)

Rimmerdal · Unread post by **Rimmerdal** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:00 am

sHaka wrote:Anyone know how the AMC compare? (at work away from my copy of Mercs and Arzno)

number 3. as Mayhem's Marauders would give the AMC a good run for and be number 4

Armmageddon Unlimited, The 'Horsemen' (Arhiman sponsered company) would be in conention fo number two.

Vrykolas2k · Unread post by **Vrykolas2k** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:52 pm

Going by the numbers and so on from Aftermath, the JAL is.
At the time Rifts: Mercenaries was printed, Larsen's was.

Lenwen · Unread post by **Lenwen** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:57 pm

Vrykolas2k wrote:Going by the numbers and so on from Aftermath, the JAL is.
At the time Rifts: Mercenaries was printed, Larsen's was.

Thats what I was thinking as well ..
Considering the JAL STOPPED an entire Field army of 24,ooo+ troops dead in its tracks ..

Dustin Fireblade · Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:25 pm

Lenwen wrote:
Vrykolas2k wrote:Going by the numbers and so on from Aftermath, the JAL is.
At the time Rifts: Mercenaries was printed, Larsen's was.

Thats what I was thinking as well ..
Considering the JAL STOPPED an entire Field army of 24,ooo+ troops dead in its tracks ..

Right, the JAL had 26,000 troops when that happened though. Not exactly hard to imagine there.

And as GB2098 said, JAL isn't a merc unit. It's a horde that lives off the land. Unlike Larsen's Brigade which actually has a headquarter's to plan missions and give troops a place to hang their hat and the means to easily replace their lost equipment.

glitterboy2098 · Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:28 pm

plus i don't remeber the JAL ever being mentioned as having been hired by anyone for merc work.

the few times they've been mentioned post Jucier uprisings, they came of their own freewill to futher their own goals (which usually boil down to "help people and give the coalition a bloody nose when ever possible").

rat_bastard · Unread post by **rat_bastard** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:32 pm

Technically the megaversal legion.

they have offices in merctown, so one might assume they are a NA merc company.

Lenwen · Unread post by **Lenwen** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:34 pm

rat_bastard wrote:Technically the megaversal legion.

they have offices in merctown, so one might assume they are a NA merc company.

bah Rat ...

Dont they have offices in like half the Dimension books ?

rat_bastard · Unread post by **rat_bastard** » Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:23 pm

Lenwen wrote:
rat_bastard wrote:Technically the megaversal legion.

they have offices in merctown, so one might assume they are a NA merc company.

bah Rat ...

Dont they have offices in like half the Dimension books ?

they could...

dark brandon · Unread post by **dark brandon** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:43 am

JAL until Julian the 1st dies. Then Larsons brigade.

Vrykolas2k · Unread post by **Vrykolas2k** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:49 am

dark brandon wrote:JAL until Julian the 1st dies. Then Larsons brigade.

I haven't read anything to support that assertion.

dark brandon · Unread post by **dark brandon** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:56 am

Vrykolas2k wrote:
dark brandon wrote:JAL until Julian the 1st dies. Then Larsons brigade.

I haven't read anything to support that assertion.

It was something that was in aftermath, the story of Julian waking up and something the juicer says. It is his leadership and hatred of the CS that keep the JAL together. It's not hard to believe that when he dies, unless there is someone ready and able to lead after him, it'll just fall apart and from the reading it doesn't seem like there is anyone who can step up to fill in julians shoes.

dark brandon · Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:04 am

Zerebus wrote:
dark brandon wrote:and from the reading it doesn't seem like there is anyone who can step up to fill in julians shoes.

Player Characters!

This is a possibility, and would be wonderful, if Palladium didn't Meta-Plot everything.

glitterboy2098 · Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:29 pm

and yet, as i pointed out, the JAL isn't a mercenary unit. so they're not even in the competition here.
the JAL is a militarized peoples movement. they do not hire themselves out to others.

last i checked, fighting for others because you were payed is the absolute minimum requirement to be considered a mercenary..

the JAL fights for ideals and their own goals. putting them in the same classification as cyberknights. heroic champions.

Shadyslug · Unread post by **Shadyslug** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:39 pm

I agree with the Illegitimate Rodent.

Megaversal Legions...they are the largest and most powerful merc army on Earth.

glitterboy2098 · Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:43 pm

Shadyslug wrote:I agree with the Illegitimate Rodent.

Megaversal Legions...they are the largest and most powerful merc army on Earth.

but they're not in North America. they're based in south america and operate megaversally. i doubt anyone in N.A. could afford to hire more than a company of their guys at a time.

their office in merctown is probably more for recruitment purposes.

dark brandon · Unread post by **dark brandon** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:40 pm

K20A2_S wrote:I barely even count so many things in South America 2 as canon, due to the writer going ubber power crazy(even KS has admitted it and regretted it)...........

SA had good ideas, just poorly implamented in the rifts world (Though in a phase world setting, it's not too bad)

Personally, if they revise any other books, I'd like to see SA1&2

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:14 am

I stand by what I said earlier about strictly speaking of North America and Larsen's Brigade. But overall rat_bastard is right about the Megaversal Legion in the world. And I still consider them canon. And I do not even put JAL in a list of merc units because of the way they operate, here I agree with GB2098 and the others that they do what they want to do.