TW Modifications to Cyber-Armor...possible or not?

[shadrak]

Quite possible...

Check the Momano Headhunter for ideas, as well as Dark Technowizardry in the Rifter.

[rat_bastard]

it might require studding your body with gems and old circuit boards....

[rat_bastard]

it might require studding your body with gems and old circuit boards....

Bah...they've already fused armor plates to their torso, shoulders, arms and thighs. I think they may be a bit beyond quibbling over addning some shiny rocks, and, hey, some might consider it fashionable...


*starts a trend of Cyber-Knights wearing "bling"*

dont forget the robot horses with hydralics and spinning hooves.

[ApocalypseZero]

Momano Headhunter is in Rifts: Canada, bout the middle of the book (possibly pg. 100, not totally sure).

As for the cyber-armor, I'd probably say it's possible, but only BEFORE it's grafted to the Cyber Knight. Once grafted, then it could not be enhanced. Besides, why deal with the Cyber Armor anyways? What is it you (or someone else) are thinking?

[Thinyser]

Momano Headhunter is in Rifts: Canada, bout the middle of the book (possibly pg. 100, not totally sure).

As for the cyber-armor, I'd probably say it's possible, but only BEFORE it's grafted to the Cyber Knight. Once grafted, then it could not be enhanced. Besides, why deal with the Cyber Armor anyways? What is it you (or someone else) are thinking?

agreed only before.

I would put on an armor of ithan spell to make the armor that much more protective.

[taalismn]

I'd count it as equivbalent to bionic enhancement....count each different TW enhancement as a seperate cybernetic option towards reaching the limit, at which point the CyberKnight has to make the decision if he's going to become a TW Cyborg.

[Nekira Sudacne]

I have to say yes, personally. Ever sinse the main book and sourcebook one there have been exsamples of having magical bionics.

[Killer Cyborg]

I have to say yes, personally. Ever sinse the main book and sourcebook one there have been exsamples of having magical bionics.

But not of TW Enhanced bionic armor.
The TW bionic weapons in the main book are just TW versions of the tech versions.
A TK Machinegun instead of a normal machinegun.
For the most part, the difference is the power source, not the effect.

Since Cyber Armor isn't powered, this wouldn't make a difference.

Personally, I probably wouldn't allow the cyber-armor to have TW enchantments.

[rat_bastard]

I have to say yes, personally. Ever sinse the main book and sourcebook one there have been exsamples of having magical bionics.

But not of TW Enhanced bionic armor.
The TW bionic weapons in the main book are just TW versions of the tech versions.
A TK Machinegun instead of a normal machinegun.
For the most part, the difference is the power source, not the effect.

Since Cyber Armor isn't powered, this wouldn't make a difference.

Personally, I probably wouldn't allow the cyber-armor to have TW enchantments.

how about for sections of cyber knight armor to be made into amulets and talismens?

[Killer Cyborg]

I have to say yes, personally. Ever sinse the main book and sourcebook one there have been exsamples of having magical bionics.

But not of TW Enhanced bionic armor.
The TW bionic weapons in the main book are just TW versions of the tech versions.
A TK Machinegun instead of a normal machinegun.
For the most part, the difference is the power source, not the effect.

Since Cyber Armor isn't powered, this wouldn't make a difference.

Personally, I probably wouldn't allow the cyber-armor to have TW enchantments.

how about for sections of cyber knight armor to be made into amulets and talismens?

I would rule that once a cybernetic component is implanted into the person, it effectively becomes part of that person.
So no enchantments would function unless they could be applied to a part of a living being.

[finn69]

Quite possible...

Check the Momano Headhunter for ideas, as well as Dark Technowizardry in the Rifter.

what rifter is dark techno-wizardry in?

[Toc Rat]

I'm talking about the Cyber-Knight Cyber-Armor.

Thoughts?

All things are possible

[rat_bastard]

personally I don't think cyber knight cyber armor can accept techno wizard mods any more than a bio-wizard heart can. But normal cyber armor seems like it couldaccept something if the TW worked on it before it was attached.

[Killer Cyborg]

Well if its armor of Ithan and it's put on to the Armor then grafted to the knight. Then when he hits level four it comes to life (in a manner of speaking) maybe the Armor of Ithan would become a at will thing?

Or always active

Now thats an ideal worth sending into the rifter!

Hmmm i havnt thought about it untill now maybe i'll write it up and send it in.

once again my work here is done
I think that it should cause the CK to lose a perment 5 ppoints of P.P.E it would be a balance to always on fact or would it?

No, that wouldn't balance it.

[atkindave]

Uhh, spell costs 10 PPE per original rules right? (is stating that against the rules? If so, inform me and I will edit. Or you can edit and send me a nastygram) I don't have RUE yet, so if it's changed there then use that number.

So permanent AoI should cost permanent 10 PPE. It'll recharge once a day. (more times a day costs in multiples of 10, permanently). It'll protect in MDC as normal per the level of the cyberknight.

There you go. Its balanced because it's convenient, but you'd rather have just the spell if you could cast it.

[Killer Cyborg]

Your right 5 P.P.E would not be a balancer. Yet there has to be something that make the Prement Armor of Ithan fair and balanced.

Or just don't give him munchy toys in the first place.

[Greeter]

Quite possible...

Check the Momano Headhunter for ideas, as well as Dark Technowizardry in the Rifter.

what rifter is dark techno-wizardry in?

I'd like to know that one too (need to get it before my players do ).

[shadrak]

Or just don't give him munchy toys in the first place.

Agreed

Personally, I would have rather had the CK's have some form of Chi-Gung from Japan rather than the cyber armor, but I also dislike the whole anti-tech part of the OCC (not that I disagree with it, I just think it makes CK's rules heavy)

[atkindave]

The thing is that that would work if it still had to be activated but since it would be always active that 10 ppe doesn't even come close to balancing it. It is a start though.

Permanent PPE drain. If it has to be activated, just put the standard TW gizmo on there and activate it normally. Limited only by your PPE (or ISP). Permanence carries it's own drawback, that it will be dispelled in combat and not be available again until X time has elapsed. If always on is the problem, the answer is another question: how often does the spell actually run out before it's MDC is gone? The combat will be long over by this time, unless it's some wierd marathon situation.

OTOH, KC does point out the munchiness of the whole scenario. Can CK's learn spells too?

[Killer Cyborg]

The closest thing in canon would be the Mind Block Auto-Defense, which costs a permanent 14 ISP vs. the normal temporary cost of 4 ISP for normal Mind Block.

Using that as a template, IF you for some reason wanted to make a munchy ability like a permanent spell of this sort, then you could use this same ratio.
3.5x the normal cost if you want it as a permanent power.
In the case of Armor of Ithan, that would be a permanent loss of 35 PPE.
Which might actually be close to a good balancing factor.

[Killer Cyborg]

The closest thing in canon would be the Mind Block Auto-Defense, which costs a permanent 14 ISP vs. the normal temporary cost of 4 ISP for normal Mind Block.

Using that as a template, IF you for some reason wanted to make a munchy ability like a permanet spell of this sort, then you could use this same ratio.
3.5x the normal cost if you want it as a permanent power.
In the case of Armor of Ithan, that would be a permanent loss of 35 PPE.
Which might actually be close to a good balancing factor.

Right on KC

Well, CKs only get 6d6 PPE in the first place, so most of them couldn't actually use such a device.
Which means that once that armor comes to life, they'd probably just lose all of their PPE for no gain.

Other spells, like Climb, Chameleon, Detect Concealment, Fear, Levitation, Turn Dead, Breathe Without Air, Impervious to Fire, Impervious to Poison, Invisibility: Simple, or Swim As Fish might be more accessable.

[shadrak]

Originally, I thought this was about cyber armor in general

[shadrak]

Survivability for a cyberknight? They are pretty survivable already.

[rat_bastard]

The closest thing in canon would be the Mind Block Auto-Defense, which costs a permanent 14 ISP vs. the normal temporary cost of 4 ISP for normal Mind Block.

Using that as a template, IF you for some reason wanted to make a munchy ability like a permanet spell of this sort, then you could use this same ratio.
3.5x the normal cost if you want it as a permanent power.
In the case of Armor of Ithan, that would be a permanent loss of 35 PPE.
Which might actually be close to a good balancing factor.

Right on KC

Well, CKs only get 6d6 PPE in the first place, so most of them couldn't actually use such a device.
Which means that once that armor comes to life, they'd probably just lose all of their PPE for no gain.

Other spells, like Climb, Chameleon, Detect Concealment, Fear, Levitation, Turn Dead, Breathe Without Air, Impervious to Fire, Impervious to Poison, Invisibility: Simple, or Swim As Fish might be more accessable.

if only there was a second way to power tw items, somthing like intergal spendy points, or intestenal spleen power-units or inner strength points....

[Killer Cyborg]

The closest thing in canon would be the Mind Block Auto-Defense, which costs a permanent 14 ISP vs. the normal temporary cost of 4 ISP for normal Mind Block.

Using that as a template, IF you for some reason wanted to make a munchy ability like a permanet spell of this sort, then you could use this same ratio.
3.5x the normal cost if you want it as a permanent power.
In the case of Armor of Ithan, that would be a permanent loss of 35 PPE.
Which might actually be close to a good balancing factor.

Right on KC

Well, CKs only get 6d6 PPE in the first place, so most of them couldn't actually use such a device.
Which means that once that armor comes to life, they'd probably just lose all of their PPE for no gain.

Other spells, like Climb, Chameleon, Detect Concealment, Fear, Levitation, Turn Dead, Breathe Without Air, Impervious to Fire, Impervious to Poison, Invisibility: Simple, or Swim As Fish might be more accessable.

if only there was a second way to power tw items, somthing like intergal spendy points, or intestenal spleen power-units or inner strength points....

Hey, if a CK has 70 ISP he wants to permantly lose, more power to him.

[shadrak]

If you reeeaaaalllllyyy want to get that muchy, make it a modified bio-borg system, powered by eylor or zemback. Personally, I don't think CK's need a power boost...they are probably the most individually powerful combat OCC in North America--definately in the Main Book.

Honestly, what is wrong with a little standard armor? Cyber armor is a back up anyway...you want to get super-munchy, give them mystic kuzna armor or armor from conversion book 2 (Hecate's knock off armor). It is just as reasonable as TW modifications to Cyber armor, perhaps moreso.

[ApocalypseZero]

What, no True Atlantean Cyber-Knight with 6 Tattoos, is a Master Pychic, and has TW Cyber-Armor underneath TW Cyber-Knight Heavy Plate Armor?

This is a viable possiblity, for those who didn't know.

As much as the idea of TW Cyber-Armor is, it's not really plausible for it to be something 'high level'. Perhaps using it as an 'Espionage Armor' would do well. Giving it Chameleon or Cloak of Shadows, or maybe even Invisible: Simple or Shadow Meld. Sometimes the best item is not one used for Offense or Defense, but for a different purpose all together. I had one player want a TW Lint Brush that casted Cleanse. Bring a whole new dimension to the character.

[rat_bastard]

What, no True Atlantean Cyber-Knight with 6 Tattoos, is a Master Pychic, and has TW Cyber-Armor underneath TW Cyber-Knight Heavy Plate Armor?

minus the tw mods to the cyber armor, that is exactly the setup a player in my group has.. guy can be a real pain in the ass whenever somthing is not going his way.

[rat_bastard]

What, no True Atlantean Cyber-Knight with 6 Tattoos, is a Master Pychic, and has TW Cyber-Armor underneath TW Cyber-Knight Heavy Plate Armor?

minus the tw mods to the cyber armor, that is exactly the setup a player in my group has.. guy can be a real pain in the ass whenever somthing is not going his way.

Threaten him with an extra Tattoo.

hehehehe

the problem is in game he is suposed to be teaching me how to be a proper cyber knight... he has not been a proper cyber knight in five sessions last session he stabed an unarmored man in the back of the head with his psi-sword. the guy was trying to arm a bomb, but there where a dozen better ways to handle the situation.

[rat_bastard]

What, no True Atlantean Cyber-Knight with 6 Tattoos, is a Master Pychic, and has TW Cyber-Armor underneath TW Cyber-Knight Heavy Plate Armor?

minus the tw mods to the cyber armor, that is exactly the setup a player in my group has.. guy can be a real pain in the ass whenever somthing is not going his way.

Threaten him with an extra Tattoo.

hehehehe

the problem is in game he is suposed to be teaching me how to be a proper cyber knight... he has not been a proper cyber knight in five sessions last session he stabed an unarmored man in the back of the head with his psi-sword. the guy was trying to arm a bomb, but there where a dozen better ways to handle the situation.

Yeah, I've read your synopsis of the games, very cool. Generally well-written, in an approachable style, too, btw.

PS- Not to touch off what sounds like an old dispute, but I WOULD say that that opponent had a weapon equal to the Psi-sword in that case...

I'm not saying he had to sit there with his hands in his pockets, but he had all sorts of things he could have done, he could have punched, pinned, smacked him with a lead pipe, threatend him, poked him in the back with a gun, cut a limb, tapped him on the shoulder with the psi blade or used his supernatural strength to pick him up and toss him. Instead he stabbed him in the back of the head....

[rat_bastard]

Well...it WAS efficient!

But yeah, I'd have probably thrown negative XP at him from what's described. Technicly the Code does say "never strike from behind". While not always practical, it is part of "the Code".

I can almost understand the "oh **** hes got a bomb and he's trying to blow up my house and he may have killed some of my family memeberts I better stab him now!" attitude, if he had not fought so hard not to have the dweomer defence force find out what we knew. Being a cyber knight is all about justice not revenge.

[rat_bastard]

What, no True Atlantean Cyber-Knight with 6 Tattoos, is a Master Pychic, and has TW Cyber-Armor underneath TW Cyber-Knight Heavy Plate Armor?

minus the tw mods to the cyber armor, that is exactly the setup a player in my group has.. guy can be a real pain in the ass whenever somthing is not going his way.

Threaten him with an extra Tattoo.

hehehehe

the problem is in game he is suposed to be teaching me how to be a proper cyber knight... he has not been a proper cyber knight in five sessions last session he stabed an unarmored man in the back of the head with his psi-sword. the guy was trying to arm a bomb, but there where a dozen better ways to handle the situation.

Yeah, I've read your synopsis of the games, very cool. Generally well-written, in an approachable style, too, btw.

PS- Not to touch off what sounds like an old dispute, but I WOULD say that that opponent had a weapon equal to the Psi-sword in that case...

I'm not saying he had to sit there with his hands in his pockets, but he had all sorts of things he could have done, he could have punched, pinned, smacked him with a lead pipe, threatend him, poked him in the back with a gun, cut a limb, tapped him on the shoulder with the psi blade or used his supernatural strength to pick him up and toss him. Instead he stabbed him in the back of the head....

What kind of Cyber-knight is he a despoiler. That would definately be against the code. What alignment is he?

He claims to be Principled good, with a long and noble tradition from being in a true atlantian noble family...

[Aramanthus]

No kidding! There are a lot of repercussions I could think of for a player like that!

[shadrak]

Why even call yourself principled? You can be diabolic and be a cyberknight...it's not like being a cosmoknight.

[rat_bastard]

Total lack of respect for the rules.

what rules? Karl Prosek could be a cyber knight witht the right training...
as for not playing an alignment properly, that generally means less XP. Arbitrary alignment change is just like any other use of the plot-wagon, grudgingly accepted at best.

But back to the point of this thread.

I think mild mods to normal cyber armor before implantation may be possible but cyber knight cyber armor is a living part of a cyber knight and should not be able to be modified.

[shadrak]

there needs to be a new alignment:

"what ever the hell I want to do"

Alignments are pretty dumb anyway.

[shadrak]

Actually, a lot of games do that.

Twilight 2000,

Classic Battletech RPG

[shadrak]

Is arcana pretty good?