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This is why I've toyed with the idea of a "scale" factor for Rifts. Something to effect of: 1) Infantry size 2) Power Armor, Full Cyborg size 3) Robot, Tank size If you try to shoot something that's a larger size, then your weapon's damage is reduced. Likewise, shooting something smaller ...

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This gets to the core of the issue for me. It's a minimum of 800 credits a pop to recharge an e-clip?! It costs HOW MUCH to repair that bot? As I see it, the only adventurers out there would be mages, because nobody else could afford it!

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I thought of what the CS could do that would not kill their soldiers (since they were unwilling targets of such a curse)...they could transform 'em into full conversion borgs.

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Me too. Just not the stuff that you'd necessarily role-play out. Fair enough, but I don't think people include that in salaries, either. "Okay, you spent two years standing guard in absolute boredom with no damage to your vehicle and only 20MD to account for, so the rest is gravy. Here's your ...

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I generally base it loosely off the wages given a Glitterboy and include repairs and ammo in the bargain (otherwise it'd never be worth it). /Sub THAT depends on what the job is, and how you go about it. Say you're a GB pilot running around solo. A good chunk of your jobs might be composed of: -Doi...

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The Artist Formerly wrote:Forest or no, the over all utility of the robot unit outweighs it's disadvantages. There could be situations where a tank would be better at a given task, but robots do everything across the board so well, that they are a better unit.

Okay, but why have either?

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Have you guys ever seen a bulldozer "remove" trees? The bulldozer barely even slows down for a 3-foot diameter tree. There's probably video on youtube of it. --flatline Well, I looked up videos on YouTube and they come to a complete stop on trees that have a 10" diameter. This one is...

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I generally base it loosely off the wages given a Glitterboy and include repairs and ammo in the bargain (otherwise it'd never be worth it).

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Have you guys ever seen a bulldozer "remove" trees? The bulldozer barely even slows down for a 3-foot diameter tree. There's probably video on youtube of it. --flatline Well, I looked up videos on YouTube and they come to a complete stop on trees that have a 10" diameter. This one is...

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An ancient artillery piece wouldn't do squat against a CS squad unless it was using modern shells.

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Heavy woods yea air is the only way to not be impaired. Even on foot heavy wooded terrain is a pain to move threw. Adding size of giant robots and PA it would be worse. They might have the power to make a path but doing so would be slow and make lots of noise. Most off road vehicles can handle ligh...

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Vrykolas2k wrote:Glad to see you posting again, Subs.

I'm here a bit. I work a frickin' lot.

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Radar, spotters (robots and human), coordinates, and so on.

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My point (that was my quote not kaids) was that if there was an NBC war, a crew in a large robot or tank can more or less live in their vehicle (some of which explicitly are set up for long term occupation). Which means that they don't have to worry about the decon until afterword's. Where as the i...

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That's firmly in the "GM's discretion" category. The GM must decide how small the weapon can be made. We can all agree that a .22 caliber bullet is way too small, and that a missile warhead is plenty large, but it's defining that middle ground that's a challenge. Thematically, I believe a...

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Which means, for instance that you don't need fancy shelters and lengthy decontamination procedures if your in an NBC war. Which infantry and PA do. Meh. This isn't so bad if the armor is environmental. You either have the same limitations with a robot vehicle...or do you really think you can't get...

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So - what am I missing here? Other than a large and scary physical presence, what do tanks and robot vehicles do that other things cannot do as well or better for less money? I mean, I can see some reason for them, I cannot see a big enough one to justify the colossal expense involved in their proc...

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Tanks and robots are kind typically would have better range than infantry provide. Other than missiles, I don't see that being the case when compared to other, cheaper options (such as the Glitterboy). Tanks are used because the are typically cheaper than Giant robots and fill the same roll. Some a...

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Just wondering have you ever seen what a tank can drive across? Most tanks I have seen can cross fairly large stumps and rocks no problem. I've not seen specifics where tanks fail, but they cannot climb cliffs, whereas a robot could (assuming the rock was hard enough). A tank cannot maneuver as wel...

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One thing big robots have over tanks and power armor is endurance. PA is for the most part some dude physically running/walking/jogging and while it makes this activity much easier than it normally most saying the pilot gets exhausted at 10% of the normal rate going full speed as a ground power arm...

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Tor wrote:
Subjugator wrote:The ones in VK are part of what REALLY captured me about this game.

Yes but does this capture you?

The link didn't work.

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Here’s some quick stats for TW Cannon Shells. All are device level one. Magic Net Shell: 3.5 hours to make, $550 build cost. Fire Globe Shell: 4 hours to make, $775 build cost. Annihilate Shell: 100 hours to make, $17,500 build cost. Havoc Shell: 8.75 hours to make, $1,675 build cost. Desiccate the...

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Glistam's and Mack's questions are pertinent.

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Here’s some quick stats for TW Cannon Shells. All are device level one. Magic Net Shell: 3.5 hours to make, $550 build cost. Fire Globe Shell: 4 hours to make, $775 build cost. Annihilate Shell: 100 hours to make, $17,500 build cost. Havoc Shell: 8.75 hours to make, $1,675 build cost. Desiccate the...

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A comment in another thread got me to thinking. What are the respective combat roles held by equipment and such on Rifts earth? Here are things as I see them: ⋅ Infantry: The firepower, armor, and capabilities of infantry now greatly exceed the firepower of a modern day tank and they woul...

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That is a matter of personal preference. This topic was if you where building a tank corps so you are missing the point it was hypothetical scenario of building a tank corps so you way off topic. As some one said earlier your way to do something is to not? I addressed the topic...more than once: If...

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The coaxial rail gun the one next the main gun is what the main gunner fires when not shooting the main gun. so you left out the shots on that. Okay, so add 120MD per round for that. It is clear the point of this exercise was lost on you. You are mistaking rolls in combat No, I'm not. and now using...

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I am willing to bet the tank has more fire power, and armor that also includes a 1 million TW modification budget. The tank does not require as much training for the crew as PA. The tank is more like a giant robot in than a PA in roll. But it is a matter of personal choice. The Gladius battery powe...

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you could use a TW as a driver, but it is likely there are far more useful places for someone who can cast spells than on the inside of a box that blocks the casting of the vast majority of said spells. simple fact is, if you recruit some minor psychic with 22 ISP, mind block, and telepathy as crew...

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Lol the most badass race in the megaverse. They're from the only licensed book ever produced for Rifts.

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Actually looking at the definition of hand made from dictionaries. That summery does not match the definition of Mass produced taken from Multiple dictionary. So you are placing higher requirement than the term Mass produces requires for most of its meanings. I misspoke there. I should have correct...

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So you are claiming the Kittani do not produce PA? No. I am not. Why do you keep saying all Kittani armor is bright blue? The armor states when it is finished-so then they first thing the do is produce the armor normally then goes to the next step to get its TW features and enchantment. You are try...

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So sum up the past 20 or so posts: 1) You cannot mass produce something that his hand made. 2) Mass production involves assembly lines of specifically trained/specialized people/machines that makes one part of the product and passes it down to the next person/machine for them to make their portion ...

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So sum up the past 20 or so posts: 1) You cannot mass produce something that his hand made. 2) Mass production involves assembly lines of specifically trained/specialized people/machines that makes one part of the product and passes it down to the next person/machine for them to make their portion ...

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Lets take a look at the term Mass produced. You are using Wiki as your meaning. Academically That is a poor source it may be a quick reference point but is based on Public so is not academically an acceptable reference. Lets look at definitions of Mass produced. [...snip...] Those all seam to be in...

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So you are claiming the Kittani do not produce PA? No. I am not. Why do you keep saying all Kittani armor is bright blue? The armor states when it is finished-so then they first thing the do is produce the armor normally then goes to the next step to get its TW features and enchantment. You are try...

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Since the actual term can allow for hand made (Venetian Arsenal is the example from the Wikipedia) it would seem that we are now moving the goalposts. I'm not. I was going by what KC had said earlier. Those goalposts are firmly in place. First it was 'magic items can only be made slowly one at a ti...

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Errrr if the RUE specifically says that these are examples of magic items that are mass produced. The phase world ships are hard to mass produce, not impossible, If there are factories that produce items.....then I would say that it is pretty conclusively shown that magic can be, and in fact is ind...

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eliakon wrote:So now that we have pretty much settled that magic items can, and in fact are, mass produced....now what?

We haven't decided that.

They can and are produced in bulk though...and because of that, I wish the CS would do as described in the post above mine.

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The feel of a class is what makes it for me. The CS Military Specialist has more draw for me than does the Special Forces class in Mercenaries, even though they are very similar.

It just makes a difference for me.

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Tor wrote:I loved the ones in Vampire Kingdoms. Off-hand can't remember what other books had them.

The ones in VK are part of what REALLY captured me about this game.

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glitterboy2098 wrote:actually, mass production just means it's made in large quantities to the same specs for each.

Actually, no it doesn't, as was pointed out in great detail by Killer Cyborg.

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In fairness, I just noticed that RUE says the items given under the examples are mass produced, though they do not use the word in the technical fashion (much like they didn't use the term 'organic' correctly when referring to mages wearing armor in the original RMB), since they also specifically no...

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I'd like to know what weapons you're talking about. The quickest weapon in RUE takes 19.5 hours to make. The others take a lot longer.

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You said that it takes "lots and lots of people who know magic". I gave a counter example that demonstrates that a small number of magic users can produce large numbers of useful magical items. --flatline Well, since the context is the utility in war, I'd say that's an important distincti...

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W/re to the Gem to use. This is the main stopping point of using a Spell of Legend though, what gem it requires. So canonically there is no official way to put all spells into a TW device. Hm...yes, but I'd say this doesn't present itself as a canonical limitation. It simply presents itself as some...

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You are a magical kingdom that has many mages and TW in your arm forces how would you build your Armor (tanks) corp. Would you build an all custom TW tank or modify line model tanks. What would be your goals with man power. What would be your focus for TW mods. Custom TW tank: A) - Contra Grav (max...

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It wouldn't surprise me if Atlantis had factories that mass produced magical items, but again, I don't recall it ever actually being mentioned that they do so. I'm still skeptical at the idea of a xiticix assembly line or other such mass production formations. The Xiticix actually are one of the fe...

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Rifts under seas Page 175 War Urchin power armor. "Unlike other Kittani armor, when this suit is finished it turned over to splugorth alchemists and techno-wizards to give it a few extra touches." (That would seam to place TW as finishers as a step of mass produced armor. Even assembly li...

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KC's point aside, to mass produce magic requires lots and lots of people who know magic. To mass produce tech you need a few people who know tech. /Sub A dozen mages near a ley line can produce hundreds of Talisman each day. Thousands if they can summon the appropriate assistants. --flatline OK - w...

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