Why do YOU hate the CS?

Nxla666 · Unread post by **Nxla666** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:48 pm

We have seen so many arguments on this, its time to get straight (and in one place) answers!

Nxla666 · Unread post by **Nxla666** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 7:08 pm

Thats not an answer!

Rimmerdal · Unread post by **Rimmerdal** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 7:52 pm

Bercause it's easier than liking them..

J. Lionheart · Unread post by **J. Lionheart** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 8:18 pm

The fascist neo-nazi one.

Mech-Viper Prime · Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:22 pm

Res_Novae wrote:*Refers everyone to mech-viper's sig.*

damn right

Qev · Unread post by **Qev** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:29 pm

I hate them because they're beautiful.

No, really.

Okay, I'm lying. They're wanna-be Nazis. Their uniforms aren't even as snappy as real Nazi ones, and the Nazis sucked despite the uniforms. So, yeah... the Nazi thing.

Kalinda · Unread post by **Kalinda** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:46 pm

None of the above. If there's anything I hate about the CS it's the fact that they waste their time and energy fighting tolkeen and killing harmless D-bees when there are baby eating demons running around unopposed. The CS should be going after the demon kingdom of calgary, the FoM and the Xiticix. they should be patrolling the coasts and fighting off slavers and pirates, stopping bandits and slaying vampires.

cornholioprime · Tue Aug 16, 2005 12:00 am

Kalinda wrote:None of the above. If there's anything I hate about the CS it's the fact that they waste their time and energy fighting tolkeen and killing harmless D-bees when there are baby eating demons running around unopposed. The CS should be going after the demon kingdom of calgary, the FoM and the Xiticix. they should be patrolling the coasts and fighting off slavers and pirates, stopping bandits and slaying vampires.

Never thought of that reasoning before......

cornholioprime · Tue Aug 16, 2005 12:02 am

Almost forgot to reply.

Don't "hate" or "love" the CS, as I've so often said before.....

..just the way "God" protects them...

Nxla666 · Unread post by **Nxla666** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 12:23 am

Ya know, once again I forget to vote in my own @#$

^&* poll.

RainOfSteel · Unread post by **RainOfSteel** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 12:43 am

C.R.A.F.T. wrote:I think they are misunderstood.

It's easier to rule with an iron fist in an environment such as that.

Their goals are laudable, it's just the methods they use that are repulsive.

Genocide is laudable?

<As I edge over toward that 100 MDC Damage Resistant, 1000 MDC plating, in case I need to hide quickly. />

RainOfSteel · Unread post by **RainOfSteel** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 12:47 am

Kalinda wrote:None of the above. If there's anything I hate about the CS it's the fact that they waste their time and energy fighting tolkeen and killing harmless D-bees when there are baby eating demons running around unopposed. The CS should be going after the demon kingdom of calgary, the FoM and the Xiticix. they should be patrolling the coasts and fighting off slavers and pirates, stopping bandits and slaying vampires.

That was impressive. I think I'm going to save a copy of that away for the future.

Qev · Unread post by **Qev** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 1:32 am

RainOfSteel wrote:
Kalinda wrote:None of the above. If there's anything I hate about the CS it's the fact that they waste their time and energy fighting tolkeen and killing harmless D-bees when there are baby eating demons running around unopposed. The CS should be going after the demon kingdom of calgary, the FoM and the Xiticix. they should be patrolling the coasts and fighting off slavers and pirates, stopping bandits and slaying vampires.

That was impressive. I think I'm going to save a copy of that away for the future.

Yes indeedy! I agree with Kalinda completely. Well, that, and the uniform/Nazi thing.

And the lack of a fluffy-bunny motif. :lol:

Mech-Viper Prime · Tue Aug 16, 2005 8:44 am

cornholioprime wrote:Almost forgot to reply.

Don't "hate" or "love" the CS, as I've so often said before.....

..just the way "God" protects them...

chosen people they are

dark brandon · Unread post by **dark brandon** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 8:56 am

The only thing I hate about them is that it's too easy to hate them.

You have a pleathroa of reasons to hate them, the majority of players only see the evil of CS and rarely concider the bravery the CS holds, the good and the strong.

I hate the CS because if it wasn't for the likes of me, they'd be boring one dimentional enemies.

dark brandon · Unread post by **dark brandon** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:00 am

Snippersly wrote:Get your guns boys...the Dbees are coming and you're the bottom of the food chain.

Snippersly

Raddest thing...i've ever heard...EVAR.

Mech-Viper Prime · Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:12 am

Snippersly wrote:Lie to yourselves if you want to, but you all know that if Rifts opened and hell spawned deamons and Dbees poured through you would all band together and fight for human supremecy. Sure, sure you would live in Lazlo in peace...yeah right. The CS is humanities salvation and the humans know it. You know it too but can't admit it. So a leader is corrupt, so what...politicians are today whats the difference. A bad leader doesnt make a bad nation. Get your guns boys...the Dbees are coming and you're the bottom of the food chain.

Snippersly

brings a tear to my eye

Vrykolas2k · Unread post by **Vrykolas2k** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:18 am

"I love the CS. Taste great, less filling."
*Shadow Dragon Hatchling.*

Dustin Fireblade · Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:31 pm

Snippersly wrote: Get your guns boys...the Dbees are coming and you're the bottom of the food chain.

Snippersly

I'm sigging that!

Scooter the Outlaw · Tue Aug 16, 2005 7:14 pm

I rather like the Coalition but they have never been the focus of a game I have run, instead being an important background aspect that occasionally got into the player's hair. I don't know how they can possibly come across as one-dimensional unless you're a very uncreative person; any entity containing that many people is obviously going to be highly diverse and have many points and personalities of interest.

Rifts would not be the same without the Coalition. I really like the image of them being pitiful, powerless, and weak humans, backed into a corner and coming out swinging.

...unfortunately, the newest books make them sound like schoolyard bullies with railguns. A real wasted opportunity.

Nxla666 · Unread post by **Nxla666** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:04 pm

Get your guns boys...the Dbees are coming and you're the bottom of the food chain.

Lets see, heavy Deadboy Armor...check
Vibro-knife...check
CP-50...check
Spare ammo...check

OK now, WHO'S GOIN' D-BEE HUNTIN'

SkyeFyre · Unread post by **SkyeFyre** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 9:30 pm

I don't hate them. They are a neccessary evil. I agree with their ideals, just I don't agree with their methods.

Blight · Unread post by **Blight** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 2:16 pm

Dark Brandon wrote:The only thing I hate about them is that it's too easy to hate them.

You have a pleathroa of reasons to hate them, the majority of players only see the evil of CS and rarely concider the bravery the CS holds, the good and the strong.

I hate the CS because if it wasn't for the likes of me, they'd be boring one dimentional enemies.

Halalooya!!

Omote · Unread post by **Omote** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 2:50 pm

The Coalition States RULE! Mainly because they are the only one's fighting for MY planet! Just because of a minor slip up some 400 years ago doesn't mean every devil-spawned D-Bee in the Megaverse can call this place its home.

WE MUST PROTECT THIS HOUSE!

..........................................Omote
FPQ

Larsen · Unread post by **Larsen** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 6:46 pm

I hate the cs because they are a fascist neo-nazi state bent on world conquest, they keep their people ignorant, they hate d-bees, and they hate magic. In that order.

Toc Rat · Unread post by **Toc Rat** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:00 pm

cornholioprime wrote:
Kalinda wrote:None of the above. If there's anything I hate about the CS it's the fact that they waste their time and energy fighting tolkeen and killing harmless D-bees when there are baby eating demons running around unopposed. The CS should be going after the demon kingdom of calgary, the FoM and the Xiticix. they should be patrolling the coasts and fighting off slavers and pirates, stopping bandits and slaying vampires.
Never thought of that reasoning before......

I would also add that they are being counter productive and not true human supremicists by not using magic. If they were to make the vanguard once again a formal part of their military it would have devastating consequences for the rest of North America if not the world.

Toc Rat · Unread post by **Toc Rat** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:05 pm

cornholioprime wrote:Almost forgot to reply.

Don't "hate" or "love" the CS, as I've so often said before.....

..just the way "God" protects them...

Sad but true...

Toc Rat · Unread post by **Toc Rat** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:08 pm

Dark Brandon wrote:The only thing I hate about them is that it's too easy to hate them.

You have a pleathroa of reasons to hate them, the majority of players only see the evil of CS and rarely concider the bravery the CS holds, the good and the strong.

I hate the CS because if it wasn't for the likes of me, they'd be boring one dimentional enemies.

Wait, hold the phone, back up. YOU hate the CS?! Have you looked at your name lately? "In Prosek we trust"...If that isn't a condoning of them and their actions I don't know what is...

Toc Rat · Unread post by **Toc Rat** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:11 pm

Omote wrote:The Coalition States RULE! Mainly because they are the only one's fighting for MY planet! Just because of a minor slip up some 400 years ago doesn't mean every devil-spawned D-Bee in the Megaverse can call this place its home.

WE MUST PROTECT THIS HOUSE!

..........................................Omote
FPQ

The only ones? Have you read any of the other books? What about the NGR? The New Navy? The Republic of Japan? Heard of them? The list goes on and on too.

Kalinda · Unread post by **Kalinda** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 1:46 am

Toc Rat wrote:
cornholioprime wrote:
Kalinda wrote:None of the above. If there's anything I hate about the CS it's the fact that they waste their time and energy fighting tolkeen and killing harmless D-bees when there are baby eating demons running around unopposed. The CS should be going after the demon kingdom of calgary, the FoM and the Xiticix. they should be patrolling the coasts and fighting off slavers and pirates, stopping bandits and slaying vampires.
Never thought of that reasoning before......

I would also add that they are being counter productive and not true human supremicists by not using magic. If they were to make the vanguard once again a formal part of their military it would have devastating consequences for the rest of North America if not the world.

Yup.

One thing that occurred to me awhile ago is that like it or not, it may be that the only sure way to control/harness a rift is using magic. I'm not positive because theres so little info in the books about them, but wouldn't it be interesting if they had no choice but to adopt magic in order to meet their goals?

Toc Rat · Unread post by **Toc Rat** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 2:28 am

Kalinda wrote:
Toc Rat wrote:
cornholioprime wrote:
Kalinda wrote:None of the above. If there's anything I hate about the CS it's the fact that they waste their time and energy fighting tolkeen and killing harmless D-bees when there are baby eating demons running around unopposed. The CS should be going after the demon kingdom of calgary, the FoM and the Xiticix. they should be patrolling the coasts and fighting off slavers and pirates, stopping bandits and slaying vampires.
Never thought of that reasoning before......

I would also add that they are being counter productive and not true human supremicists by not using magic. If they were to make the vanguard once again a formal part of their military it would have devastating consequences for the rest of North America if not the world.

Yup.

One thing that occurred to me awhile ago is that like it or not, it may be that the only sure way to control/harness a rift is using magic. I'm not positive because theres so little info in the books about them, but wouldn't it be interesting if they had no choice but to adopt magic in order to meet their goals?

I posted something along those lines a while back on a different thread. Here is that post:

Janissary wrote:1. Begin new propaganda efforts to generate positive opinions about the CS amongst the peoples of the surrounding areas.
2. As part of propaganda give "good faith" gifts and treaties to Free Quebec in order to form a stronger alliance.
3. Acknowledge the Vanguard and re-create CS magic division similar to the Psi Division. Run pro magic propaganda PRIOR to announcements. A year should do it.
4. Continue to run Pro-human and anti alien propaganda. It gives the people something to hate and therefore will keep them united under the emperor's rule.
5. Offer formal non-aggression pact to New Lazlo and Lazlo. Part of pact will be setting of borders. Have pact re-newable every 10 years. This will (hopefully) generate good will within those states and allow time for the CS to rebuild it's forces, develope new tactics based on Tolkeen offensive and fully intergrate the new Magic division in to the regular army. By adopting magic(human only, NO demon summoning) and the pro magic propaganda running in the CS itself this will cause Lazlo and New Lazlo to believe that the CS is slowly coming around toward a more tolerant attitude.
6. Work on diversifing resources. Currently the CS state of Missouri is the central farmland of the CS states. If those farmlands were to be destroyed it would be a serious threat to CS security and well being.
7. After incorporating the Vanguard and magic divisions in to the army, conduct a series of exercises pitting them against the current CS defenses, correct any problems. Then conduct a second series of exercises designed to utilize all battle field systems such as air support, infantry, artillery, psionics, magic, ECM, mechanized. This will ensure that the next war, be it offensive or defensive will go smoother then it otherwise might have.
8. After non-aggression pact with Lazlo, New Lazlo is in effect and after rebuilding or army is complete, start new offensive against Xiticix. If at all possible arrange for Lazlo or New Lazlo to render aid or atleast come in to direct confrontation with Xiticix. If done properly it will further create a feeling of trust in those nations, thus making a surprise attack against them easyer when the time comes.
9. Continue the bans on certain vids, books, etc. but start program ro promote literacy amongst the population. Tie this new program into propanganda effort. A message like"now that the monsters at Tolkeen are no longer attacking us, your Emperor can devote his attention to YOU the loyal citizens of the great human Coalition States." Something like that should do well. It will generate feelings of accomplishment among the population and make the war seems like Tolkeen was the aggressor. Stress the part of the Emperor taking care of his people and their needs.
10. As part of rebuilding, tie in new recruiting/retention benefits to propaganda efforts. The feelings of national pride and affection for the Emperor should swell the ranks of the armed forces.
I could go on but this is already becoming too long.

TechnoGothic · Unread post by **TechnoGothic** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 3:23 am

Nxla666 wrote:
Get your guns boys...the Dbees are coming and you're the bottom of the food chain.

Lets see, heavy Deadboy Armor...check
Vibro-knife...check
CP-50...check
Spare ammo...check

OK now, WHO'S GOIN' D-BEE HUNTIN'

Who's Going D-Bee Huntin' ??
We going D-Bee Huntin'....

Seriously though...

I perfer FREE QUEBEC, dispit them being "frenchies" Cannuks....
CS or FQ
FQ wins...They are truely Pro-Human nation...
I hate Dog-Boys in general...not human enough

dark brandon · Unread post by **dark brandon** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 3:41 am

Toc Rat wrote:
Dark Brandon wrote:The only thing I hate about them is that it's too easy to hate them.

You have a pleathroa of reasons to hate them, the majority of players only see the evil of CS and rarely concider the bravery the CS holds, the good and the strong.

I hate the CS because if it wasn't for the likes of me, they'd be boring one dimentional enemies.

Wait, hold the phone, back up. YOU hate the CS?! Have you looked at your name lately? "In Prosek we trust"...If that isn't a condoning of them and their actions I don't know what is...

It's just a name. It's usually just to get those people who are way too anti-cs worked up. Has nothing to do with how I feel about how they are written.

Unfortunatly, they are just TOO easy to hate. By comparing them so close to nazi's, even going so far as to make their uniforms closely resemble them, it made them way too easy to dislike.

It took alot of gaming to realize they arn't all bad. Even the beliefs of the standard CS citizen is understandable.

CS was written to be almost as bad as Demons. Not even the good kind of demons that Erik Wujick wrote about, that actually have some personality and depth, but the "I'm evil as hell, and even though I have an IQ of 22 I still do alot of things in a mindlessly evil fasion *begins to eat all good humans, but leaves evil humans for some reason*".

the one quality of CS is the fact they are humans, and that in itself is their one redeming quality. Because, humans, nearly all humans are not one dimentional. And that makes CS soldiers a type of anti-hero.

The same quality that people see in archie 3 is the same type of quality I try to instill in the CS leaders to keep them from being one dimentional.

So, Do I hate them...Only in how they were written in general. But I also like them for a pleathora of other reasons.

Toc Rat · Unread post by **Toc Rat** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 8:44 am

Azrael wrote:I love the Coalition States. They provide me with an ample supply of D-Bee souls and spill the blood of countless innocents to help me reawaken my sleeping masters. Keep it up boys, good work.

Omote · Unread post by **Omote** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:34 am

Toc Rat wrote:
Omote wrote:The Coalition States RULE! Mainly because they are the only one's fighting for MY planet! Just because of a minor slip up some 400 years ago doesn't mean every devil-spawned D-Bee in the Megaverse can call this place its home.

WE MUST PROTECT THIS HOUSE!

..........................................Omote
FPQ

The only ones? Have you read any of the other books? What about the NGR? The New Navy? The Republic of Japan? Heard of them? The list goes on and on too.

BAH! *waves hand* I'm a North American boy here trying to eek out a living on the western frontiers of CS Missouri. The CS doesn't necessarily care about waht is happening with Germany, or the new navy... or whatever this place you call Japan is (never even heard of it?!). All I know is that the CS blew away some mean D-Bees that were getting close to my ranch. I think it was them that was steeling my corn, soy and Phred, m' goat last month. The Coalition States is more concerned with the homeland, securin' it's boarders and wiping out the evil empires of d-bees and muties in the northern terriotories. My the gods bless Emperor Prosek and Chi-Town... oh, and Missouri too!

.......................................Omote
FPQ

Mech-Viper Prime · Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:37 am

cornholioprime wrote:Almost forgot to reply.

Don't "hate" or "love" the CS, as I've so often said before.....

..just the way "God" protects them...

like i said before the chosen people

much like some of the others in rifts

Toc Rat · Unread post by **Toc Rat** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:03 am

Omote wrote: My the gods bless Emperor Prosek and Chi-Town... oh, and Missouri too!

.......................................Omote
FPQ

Pssst! he already has blessed good ole Carl and his nation of neo-nazi facists.

Mech-Viper Prime · Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:38 am

Toc Rat wrote:
Omote wrote: My the gods bless Emperor Prosek and Chi-Town... oh, and Missouri too!

.......................................Omote
FPQ

Pssst! he already has blessed good ole Carl and his nation of neo-nazi facists.

yeah just not as bad as jean and his FQ neo-nazi bunch as less in chi-town's burbs you can find d-bees

Toc Rat · Unread post by **Toc Rat** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:54 am

Mech-Viper wrote:
Toc Rat wrote:
Omote wrote: My the gods bless Emperor Prosek and Chi-Town... oh, and Missouri too!

.......................................Omote
FPQ

Pssst! he already has blessed good ole Carl and his nation of neo-nazi facists.
yeah just not as bad as jean and his FQ neo-nazi bunch as less in chi-town's burbs you can find d-bees

You can find D-bees in Old Bones if I remember right...checking...Yup they even allow magic users to go in to old bones. Granted it's best if they leave within 24 hours but that's still far from being a human only area.

cornholioprime · Thu Aug 18, 2005 2:11 pm

Illithid13 wrote:I only dislike the CS because they are untouchable because KS loves them so. otherwise, I see them as both great and poor gaming fluff.

I love to play magic users and as a such, I'm usually playing as an anti CS position, but I've played a great game where we were all CS solders and throughly enjoyed it.

I guess you'd say I'm kind of neutral on this one.

That's not a bad thought, either...

Kalinda · Unread post by **Kalinda** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 10:48 pm

The Sovereign wrote:
Krytykyll Hytt wrote:Sick of politics. Liberals. Conservatives. War. Garbage. Countries. Drugs. Crime. Crap. Debating. Uncertainty. Injustice. Don't know what to do. Only know how I feel. Have a world to save. Don't have the strength. Why am I only one? Why am I only human? If I'm mostly right is that OK? Am I wrong? Please forgive me... How do people ignore the pain? I've never been happy. I can't go on.

Could you...try making sense?

I believe he's giving us a graphic example of why you shouldn't drink half a bottle of vodka while watching CNN, then go online and start posting...

Nxla666 · Unread post by **Nxla666** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 10:56 pm

He cant be drunk, he spelled everything right.

Either that or hes a better typist drunk.

Shades of Eternity · Wed Aug 24, 2005 11:24 pm

because they remind me of nazi's and I'm a trained archaeologist

It's like...mortal enemies

Nxla666 · Unread post by **Nxla666** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:04 am

because they remind me of nazi's and I'm a trained archaeologist

It's like...mortal enemies

Have you not seen the Indiana Jones trilogy, Nazis love archeologists.

Kalinda · Unread post by **Kalinda** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:05 am

Shades of Eternity wrote:because they remind me of nazi's and I'm a trained archaeologist

It's like...mortal enemies

What, kind of like the CS and Rogue scholars? :lol:

I wonder if that's where he got the idea? Hmm...

Nxla666 · Unread post by **Nxla666** » Mon May 14, 2007 2:06 pm

Damn, I almost forgot about this one. :lol:

Daniel Stoker · Mon May 14, 2007 3:41 pm

K20A2_S wrote:It's amazing how many people that play the game who just automatically jump on the CS HATE WAGON........I am not going to lie, when I was a kid I was on it, but once I started reading the comple context of everything and truly seeing the world through the eyes of human whom would be stuck on a planet like RIFTS earth.....it was clear as day to me why the CS has the policies they do.

Because Prosek is an evil power-hungry man.

Daniel Stoker

Colt47 · Unread post by **Colt47** » Mon May 14, 2007 3:44 pm

I don't like the Coalition States for a couple of reasons. First of all they are smack dab in the middle of my favorite part of the country. Second, they keep sticking their noses into everyones business! Third, they don't like people with toys as good as theirs. Fourth, they keep killing every good person I meet. And finally, I don't like Commandos. I really don't like commandos.

Greyaxe · Unread post by **Greyaxe** » Mon May 14, 2007 4:04 pm

the most heroic character in the game is the rouge scholar, I hate the CS because they keep their people ignorant.

Subjugator · Unread post by **Subjugator** » Mon May 14, 2007 4:12 pm

Prosek is not my hero - but I don't hate the CS.

/Sub