TK Punch Daggers

[Library Ogre]

So, let's say I have the minor psychic power of TK Punch. I also have a katar, also known as punch daggers. As their handle is perpendicular to the blade, they can be used to make a punch-like stab.

How does TK Punch interact with weapons of any sort, but, especially, ones designed to specifically emulate or enhance unarmed attacks?

[Veknironth]

Well, an even better option would be the Cestus of the Gladiator. That or something like sap gloves. Since you asked the question, I guess you're not going to apply your aura rule to this. I think the question is does the TK ADD the damage to the punch or does it do ONLY that much damage? The three options:

1. It does not. The damage is what it is, regardless of what is in your hand, or what your strength is. If you are Pete the Paladin under the effects of the spell Superhuman Strength and you perform a roundhouse kick, as most armored and armored knights do, it would be 5d6 damage as opposed to 3d6 +15 damage. And if you are a demon with a 31 or higher PS, a TK punch will do less damage than your regular punch. So, it's essentially an option for smaller, weaker creatures to do a little damage and to pull some muscles. It only works with bare fists because anything else is in the aura and cannot be accelerated by TK.

2. It adds damage to ANY attack that mimics the body mechanics of a punch, but replaces the force of the human body with the TK. So, punch daggers, cestus, etc. would be have their attacks accelerated to do an additional 4d6 damage.

3. TK is added. Now, you're really powering up this ability. It just adds 4d6 to a punch or 5d6 to a kick. This is even better than W.P. Battle Axe! You throw in something like the Cestus or punch daggers and you've created an interesting pugilist who can stand toe to toe with armed soldiers. Of course, they'd be in trouble with parrying, and they'd run out of ISP quick, but that would be something. I would limit that to only items that require the same body mechanics as a punch or one of the many kicks in Palladium. A jump kick, would be really powerful.

In all of the above examples, I think you would still add things like the +4 to damage for H2H Assassin.

-Vek
"Rather than highjack this thread with a kicking question, I'll make a new post."

[kiralon]

I would only allow the damage that it normally does, so its 4d6+ps for a punch for example, but if your ps is magically increased it still counts as its your current ps. Weapons and other items would not come into it. Best used with the boxing extra attack.

[The Dark Elf]

Well I wouldnt want to amend the rules from written in any of my games but if I were to:

I think the force is actually generated by thought (think a mind bolt) however the more the psychic believes it's powerful the more damage it does (hence the punch/kick difference). So maybe with that trail of thought, the psychic believes the blade will do more damage so it does....

[Library Ogre]

Well, an even better option would be the Cestus of the Gladiator. That or something like sap gloves. Since you asked the question, I guess you're not going to apply your aura rule to this.

I'm not sure how aura WOULD apply to this?

[ShadowLogan]

So, let's say I have the minor psychic power of TK Punch. I also have a katar, also known as punch daggers. As their handle is perpendicular to the blade, they can be used to make a punch-like stab.

How does TK Punch interact with weapons of any sort, but, especially, ones designed to specifically emulate or enhance unarmed attacks?

I don't think it is intended to work with Weapons of any sort, though it could. Based on the way the power is described it works by TK-enhancing your muscles IMHO, given you still have to make the motion AND any PS Attribute Damage bonus is added in.

This makes me think the power, even if combined with a hand held weapon, would work similar to how SN PS works with hand weapon (PF2E pg18) which is Wpn + PS-Bonus or SN HTH Attack + PS-Bonus which ever is higher. In this case you'll be hard pressed to find (non-magical and/or giant) weapons that would match the 4d6 damage from a TK Punch to even be a factor. You could also use the optional rule(s) about SN PS and hand weapons breaking and/or being additive (which isn't in PF2E pg18, but found in Rifts IIRC).

The only exception I could see is weapons that specifically state they alter your punch damage, as opposed to supersede it, would then be additive to the TK punch damage.

[kiralon]

The power doesn't make sense, it says its a force and it has a range of 1ft per level so it's a tk attack, but PS affects the damage so its not a tk attack.

[Prysus]

The power doesn't make sense, it says its a force and it has a range of 1ft per level so it's a tk attack, but PS affects the damage so its not a tk attack.

This. ^^^

Greetings and Salutations. I was going to bring up the odd design of the power (and that's why I can't really answer the question), but didn't want to derail the thread. On a related note though, I once toyed with the idea that the range is the size of weapon you can extend it to. So level 1 is only 1 foot, and couldn't extend much more than a small dagger. But as we level up we get to large swords and eventually pole arms. However, I never really explored the ability or idea further as I don't think I've ever had a player select it. Farewell and safe journeys.

[drewkitty ~..~]

The power doesn't make sense, it says its a force and it has a range of 1ft per level so it's a tk attack, but PS affects the damage so its not a tk attack.

It is probably an editing error where while the TK attack can be a (somewhat) ranged attack...but if it connects physically the PS bonus is added into the attack.

But then again, I can't find the TK punch psi power in the PF2 core book so this question would probably better be asked in the Rifts Forum or Magic & Psi forum.

[Prysus]

But then again, I can't find the TK punch psi power in the PF2 core book so this question would probably better be asked in the Rifts Forum or Magic & Psi forum.

Greetings and Salutations. Palladium Fantasy Second Edition page 167, right column, Telekinetic Punch. I'm using a Third Printing book, but it's not listed in the Errata section, so I have no reason to believe it's missing from previous printings. As the power is listed in the Palladium Fantasy setting (in the main book which makes it even easier to find), this forum is a perfectly acceptable place to ask the question, despite your personal objections. Farewell and safe journeys.

[drewkitty ~..~]

Okay I was looking in the Super psi part...NM

[NMI]

In my opinion, based on the fact that the power allows for the addition of the users PS damage bonus, I would allow the punch daggers to add whatever their damage is to the attack.

My HOUSE RULE
Instead of adding the PS damage bonus, I would add the ME bonus to the damage of the TK Punch.