dragon hunting/how do you guys defeat the teleport

[csbioborg]

So I wanted to know who everyone on here hunts dragons
most notably how do you defeat the dimensional teleport
my group has dragon slaying corrupt mmillenia wood spear that take negate the power 20 % per spear
what do you use

the CS managed to kill hundreds of hachlings and a number of adults in the SoT series

other than a botched teleport which is possible for a hatchling but not as possible for adults

how do you think they did this with just techology?

I'd like to see what peoples diffferent styles are both in Rifts and in PF

[Shark_Force]

simple. first, you shoot something at it, and use up all it's actions on dodges (successful or not, doesn't really matter). then, you fire a bunch of missiles at it once it has no actions left to teleport.

[keir451]

Head shots w/ high energy weapons , honestly I'm not sure how, I don't quite agree w/Shark Force, but I see where he's coming from. Best guess is a tracking device(assuming they didn't do D-port). And lots and lots of missiles.

[csbioborg]

killing a hatchling really isn't a big problem if you negate the d port
as long as you have a decent amount of fire power

its just the d port that is the problem

the only way is the ley line transporter who can follow any teleporting being dimesional or otherwise
the entire society of sages magi learn this as part of there training (house rule)
but that leaves all our man of arms and dragon juicers home

you have to hit it with the millenia spear quick
or they are gone

is there any other magical ability that counter acts this

or some sort of tech

[Balabanto]

Why not find out where he lives, scout it out, and wait for him to teleport there? Then you have fifteen seconds to kill him. Also, have your spellcaster ready a TW item with Negate Magic. Fire when teleporting, Gridley!

[Mack]

Keep in mind the Dragon's worst enemy: his own pride. He's not going to run from a bunch of piddley mortals. He will believe until his last breath that he will destroy your for your insolence.

[grandmaster z0b]

Keep in mind the Dragon's worst enemy: his own pride. He's not going to run from a bunch of piddley mortals. He will believe until his last breath that he will destroy your for your insolence.

Especially if you are fighting the dragon at its lair, very few dragons would teleport away and let some mortals steal thier hoard of treasure.

[Shark_Force]

lots of good advice, but most of it is not terribly good for the question regarding using only technology.

i stand by my previous response; if you can force the dragon to dodge enough, it will not have actions left to teleport away.

also, the "one action until the missiles hit" is not guaranteed; it's GM's preregative. if someone fires a missile from close enough, you don't get time to spend an action before it hits (see the rules for up-close cruise missiles in phase world for an example) so it's regular teleport won't help. teleport dodge only moves you 100 feet max; fill the air with enough death and you'll hit your target. assuming it even has teleport dodge (it's a level 10 ability if you're using the dragon hand to hand optional rules) it still has to succeed on the roll.

[runebeo]

My group plays that stunning most creatures stops them from being able to using certain powers or cuts their success rate in half, especially since theses are abilities that requires time & concentration. Slammer missiles from NGR works great for this.

[rat_bastard]

I hit it with a tracking arrow so I could follow it back to its lair, then I attacked it and took its horde. A dragon will always return for its treasure.

[Spinachcat]

Lots of missiles!

I always consider the books to be propaganda, so the CS is going to say they killed hundreds, but how many heads are on trophy walls are another story. Like fishermen, it's all about the one that got away.

[9voltkilowatt]

"I swear man, it was ttttttttttttttthhhhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiisssssss big!"

[Noon]

GM fiat rounds on a disintigrating belt

[Vrykolas2k]

Keep in mind the Dragon's worst enemy: his own pride. He's not going to run from a bunch of piddley mortals. He will believe until his last breath that he will destroy your for your insolence.

Depends on the dragon... some will leave, only to perform hit-and-run strikes.

[csbioborg]

Rifter 15 has a Shifter spell called Dimensional Anchor, it puts an end to the teleport. It dosn't last forever so kill the dragon quick, but he can still run or fly away. Though those two abilities are easy to counter.

man I'm glad you mentioned this

the spell soul leech is so much win

imagine a adult dragon getting drained

you could turn a normal human into a god

you'd stand in good shape to not be harmed either

1-25 gain one of the dragons weaknesses
that' not a problem

76-100 well that is just waiting time basically

you'd end up with a 3k life span as well

of course the questin there is if you do it on a hatchling would you envetually get a adult's power

also if you do that on a demon

do you become immortal unless slain in hades?

[sHaka]

Rifter 15 has a Shifter spell called Dimensional Anchor, it puts an end to the teleport. It dosn't last forever so kill the dragon quick, but he can still run or fly away. Though those two abilities are easy to counter.

Also, one of the shifter's base abilities (post RUE) is to redirect dimensional magic (dragon attempts to d-port out, shifter redirects it back to earth in it's starting position). So if you simply must take that hatchling/adult down, take a shifter with you!

[Kagashi]

Isnt there a chance the teleport doesnt work? If he rolls higher than his percentage, he just stays in one place and continues to take damage. If a techie can recognize that is what the dragon is going to do, it is likely he will try again next attack...thats the time to fire the volley of missiles. Otherwise, there really isnt much else technology has to defeat this ability. If you are dragon hunting, you should prolly be packing U-Rounds in yer rail guns so you can do damage faster, and if/when the dragon teleports, he will not be able to bio-regenerate until he picks out each U-Round slug from his body. Assuming you can track him down and fight him again, he will not be as powerful as your last meeting.

[csbioborg]

of course a pretty high chance for hatchlings

the adult gets one teleport attempt up to five miles away per melee round

and a dragon can attempt a dimensional teleport once every 10 minutes on rifts earth

according to dragon and gods

[csbioborg]

that is how I play it but I believe there is a split of opinion on that matter

[Mack]

Since their a creature of magic and the abilities seem somewhat magical I'll say an Anti-magic cloud should hamper it. For the time it takes to teleport I would say each time the dragon takes a high powered damage (100+ m.d.) he should roll a M.E. saving throw or he breaks his concentration and have to start again.

If I'm Not mistaken Anit-Magic Cluod Makes them Loose all their MDC any way(As they are creatures of magic)

Do you have a canon reference?

[cchopps]

Since their a creature of magic and the abilities seem somewhat magical I'll say an Anti-magic cloud should hamper it. For the time it takes to teleport I would say each time the dragon takes a high powered damage (100+ m.d.) he should roll a M.E. saving throw or he breaks his concentration and have to start again.

If I'm Not mistaken Anit-Magic Cluod Makes them Loose all their MDC any way(As they are creatures of magic)

Do you have a canon reference?

Yes. Page 221 of RUE says that Magical Creatures who fail to save find that their magic does not work t all. Creatures that are MDC due to magic Become SDCand if they save their MDC is reduced by half. Mind you you also neeed a Nat. 18 or higher to save.

All my books are in storage right now, but I don't remember it being worded like that. I remember it meaning more like, if your MDC comes from some sort of active magic effect (spell, etc) you loose it. If that's what it says now, I don't particularly like it. That would mean that a creature with 50,000+ MDC (and if you think about it, CoM or SN creature, all MDC creatures basically are MDC because of magic. So that would mean they all loose it). could be defeated with two spells: anti-magic cloud and then an anialation spell, which would make it WAY too powerful. We always played that creatures of magic are effected, but at worst they loose maybe 50% MDC and perhaps 20-30% strength. So it's still bad, but not completely over-powered.

am I wrong in remembering it not that way?

Oh wow! It wasn't like this at all in RMB and the Book of Magic. But in RUE it says

"Creatures that are normally Mega-Damage due to magic will become S.D.C. beings. Those who make their save vs magic (at 18-20) see their M.D.C. reduced by half as long as they remain in the cloud."

So the question is what does "due to magic" mean. Does it mean spells? Or does it mean 'being in a P.P.E. rich environment like Rifts Earth? I feel like I have to go with the former. Beings with special powers that turn them MDC as oppose to Demons, Dragons, Gods, Witchlings, etc...

Damn.

C. Chopps

[csbioborg]

why do they go from sdc to mdc when they land on rifts earth?
I'd consider the robotech optional rules which say on a nonmagic mdc envioment

dragons should be reduced to 1/3 mdc while smaller creatures like a flopper for exampe go back to sdc

[Balabanto]

I personally would not play Anti-Magic Cloud that way. A dragon is a dragon and I really don't think its ment to be used like that. I think it's ment for things like the Giant spell where people are turned into mdc beings not natural mdc beings.

Anti-Magic Cloud prevents people from using magic. It doesn't change their creature type, or turn them from MDC to SDC. If a spell ends, that MDC is no longer granted.

[csbioborg]

really the best way to kill a dragon or any high mdc creature of magic or supernatural
is dimensional telepor them to PF or another compartively low magic world
and let lose with the tech missiles
it really would only take 1 warhead once they reverted to sdc

[csbioborg]

I might make it sdc
but each point of md would still be worth 100 sdc points
same thing as when you go to Hades which is also a sdc dimension
makes no sense other than that
remeber the old anaogy for md
you shoot a tank with a 9mm
the bullet bounces right off causing no damage
that dosen't change regardless of the magic levels


of course the best way to kill a dragon with no porting powers like a hydra is just send him to splicers or another world with NO leylines or magic
since they live off magic they would slowly starve to death

[Subjugator]

All my books are in storage right now, but I don't remember it being worded like that. I remember it meaning more like, if your MDC comes from some sort of active magic effect (spell, etc) you loose it. If that's what it says now, I don't particularly like it. That would mean that a creature with 50,000+ MDC (and if you think about it, CoM or SN creature, all MDC creatures basically are MDC because of magic. So that would mean they all loose it). could be defeated with two spells: anti-magic cloud and then an anialation spell, which would make it WAY too powerful. We always played that creatures of magic are effected, but at worst they loose maybe 50% MDC and perhaps 20-30% strength. So it's still bad, but not completely over-powered.

am I wrong in remembering it not that way?

You are incorrect. It says they actually become SDC beings, though I'd argue that adult dragons, AI's, and gods would be immune to that particular aspect of it.

/Sub

[csbioborg]

once you cast the cloud then half a dozen men with xitic resin guns to immobilze it
or foam guns

[csbioborg]

my problem with md is how it works on biological creatures

okay there can be the occasional alien style mdc that is just hard to kill

but there should be more creatures that have more frailites

like why would poision not work on a mdc creature or gas for that matter