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P Thomassen [of the uRRG and contributor to rt.com's infopedia] Rank: Lt Commander Subject: All considered Posted on: May 17, 2002 - 2:34:03 PM I don't doubt that Earth would eventually have the technology to create energy gun pods, as evidenced with the Logan, VHT, and the later gun pods for the Al...

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From Macross Compendium m Thermonuclear Reaction A type of Overtechnology similar to nuclear fusion. Unlike nuclear fusion however, this energy reaction became an excellent power source of extreme efficiency, since the fuel does not necessarily have to be nuclear material and is also easily maintain...

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Subject: VF-1 gunpods firing both ammunition and lasers?
Started on: March 8, 2002 - 8:04:42 AM
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The photo and web hosts I used back then are dead now and I never got around to replacing them.

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http://rtsurfer.110mb.com/theway.htm RT Surfer has went into some details on the same thing. Oh. Robotech has them jumping from Nicaragua to California just for that one line of "Denver" dialog. I imagine the MOSPEADA route would have them go through Texas instead. You're probably correct...

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The SDF-4 does have similar engines in the back of its cannon and in front of the command tower. Who knows what Tommy was thinking, it might split apart somewhat like the Macross Colony vessels?

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The Cyclones are pretty cool. I think they look like Rick and Miriya. Their armor does appear to have Zentreadi influences while the Cyclones look to have Invid influences.

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Personally, I believe the UEDF had a considerable fleet, much larger than depicted onscreen. I just don't believe counting every single capital ship seen onscreen gives an accurate depiction of their numbers, nor do I assume every vessel seen in TRM is UDEF when TNG alludes to non-UEDF forces being ...

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Where was Carpenters' Tokogawa Recon One from, its identified as an attack wing of Pioneer Mission, the SDF-3, AND Space Station Liberty? Did the fleet in orbit DISREGARDED DIRECT ORDERS for all ships to return to Earth, where as you put it Earth is ramping up everything it has for its last desperat...

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I don't think that TS85 was Pioneer/REF, but from somewhere else in the Solar System. Yes they are considered returning from "deep space", but that term was also used for the SDF-1's misfold to Pluto in the previous saga so that leaves a lot of room for the fleet to come from. If TS85 was...

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I love the length you went through to create a scenario wherein ships on Earth fighting for Earth are not Earth's forces, as would be the assumption from just watching the episode. Rather, by the weaving of a tapestry of a backstory out of whole cloth in contradiction of Occam's Razor you somehow p...

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^IIRC, there is a Tokugawa hybrid shown fighting with Earth's defensive forces. In the final episodes there is a Tokugawa with the REF fleet in space and another on the surface. Based on Carpenter's designation and the design of the vessels, I am inclined to believe the Tokugawa's are assigned to th...

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^And you're assuming that every ship seen onscreen is a unique vessel, what are the odds of only seeing each ship onscreen once during the entire saga? BTW, my methodology isn't an assumption, its a clear way of establishing the MINIMUM size of Earth's home fleet(s). Any numbers beyond those are the...

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While I greatly appreciate RSCF's efforts (especially since I no longer have the patience to sit and count ships) and knowledge pertaining to Southern Cross/Robotech Masters Saga, Beatmeclever is correct concerning a methodology. Only the single largest number of each class seen in a single scene pl...

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Well, I can actually say that I'm glad this particular design died stillborn before it was animated in The Shadow Chronicles cause, well, transforming spaceships are STUPID! Transforming Ark Angel Colony Fortress You do realize the more you hate on one of Tommy's designs the more likely he is to us...

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I tend to agree with jaymz and josephddm, a separate force seems unnecessary. There are probably soldiers trained for specialized missions, perhaps with mission specific armor, arms, and cyclone attachments (Sue Graham for example); however, I expect there is essentially one force made up of spacesh...

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In Juan's podcast last night, Tommy thinks Kevin was trying to get the New Generation book done by the end of this year. That was the last schedule he gave to HG.

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You heard right, Robotech®. I’ve been told the initial manuscript for the New Generation™ Sourcebook should be coming my way soon. I'm just curious, if anyone knows... "initial manuscript", is that like a first draft? If so, how much more time and work does Kevin usually put into a book b...

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Robotech is on Youtube (remastered & extended) and Playstation Network. I seem to recall someone mentioning it was also on iTunes.

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^They were demonstrating the principle behind ion propulsion in space on this science show last night using the recoils from a shotgun and 22 cal rifle to move a tracked camera dolly. Energy weapons would probably have the least amount of recoil, if any. Maybe mount the firing mechanism from a synch...

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That's cool, its on a number of video content platforms now. Is it the original 1985 set (Legacy) or the 2004? remastered, extended version (Protoculture)? On at least one video site Manga's listings imply its the original while its actually the remastered, extended edition.

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Reflex furnace is incorrect as stated in tge rpg macross saga stats: Power Source: WT-1001 fusion reactor developing 11500b/hp. Auxilliary Nakajima Aerospace CT-8P fusion reactor developing 890 b/hp. (pg 49) all current retcon replaces any old references... MAC is not protoculture powered! No, the ...

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Reflex furnace is incorrect as stated in tge rpg macross saga stats: Power Source: WT-1001 fusion reactor developing 11500b/hp. Auxilliary Nakajima Aerospace CT-8P fusion reactor developing 890 b/hp. (pg 49) all current retcon replaces any old references... MAC is not protoculture powered! No, the ...

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Monster in 2E is 370tons dry. RT.com lists a ~380tons loaded. 1E lists less than 300tons. The Horizon's full lift capacity is: ((300+60)x2)+Alpha/Beta (in 1E). So it really depends on which source one looks at. Some of the more recent versions would likely limit the Horizon to one Monster (Mac2), l...

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Correction Horizont is capped at 300 Tons and Monster is 360 Tons it's stat'd in the books... And I looked it up 360 is the pod (60) plus its maximum cargo capacity (300), 300+60=360. The MAC II is 285.5, which is still less than 300. All the sources I've checked have the MAC II at 285.5, with only...

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IINM RT does show curving beam weapons. You are not mistaken, curving beams are clearly shown in both TMS and TRM. ...regarding the Horizont T... Because any othe box dimensions and it'd rip tge wings off... Not enough load bearing capacity... That's why it's primarily a troop carry The Horizon T h...

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^Yeah it could be adopted (unofficially), but personally I don't think it should. Its a cool enough mecha but it doesn't seem like mecha the REF would be using. Instead of making mecha larger, they seem to have downsized their big one. Well except for the GMU, which apparently was discontinued at so...

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From "Sandstorm", Rand:...if we faced certain extinction. Scott: Oh then we should surrender is that what you're proposing? This may come as a surprise to you, but I couldn't care less whether the Invid survive or go the way of the Zentreadi . I'm not just gonna roll over and play dead. It...

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the "fusion-powered mecha" idea isn't related to "TRM" specifically No, but it basically renders the whole point of Robotech to be moot. It further is at odds with the Tv series as has been repeatedly demonstrated. I'm not sure how the notion of REF marines hurts "TRM"...

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From "To The Stars", Narrator: As the Protoculture surges through it systems the long idle battlecruiser comes to life. From "Dana's Story", Master A: ...You may draw additional Protoculture from the Protofurnace only if needed to insure success. given this is for a robotech mas...

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I don't think that Yune's talking about technology; as his reply shows, he's referring to character relations and overall tone. He uses "state of overall decline" to describe the ASC in TRM, doesn't "overall" imply all aspects including technology? Then he attributes "limit...

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So: 1. I dishonestly avoided replying to your examples ... 2. ...which you weren't interested in replies to anyway... 3. ...since answering my replies would only sidetrack this thread. Is that a fair summary? Not exactly. That particular post appeared to be using misdirection and mocking replies. S...

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From "Khyron's Revenge", Khyron: I'm getting high reflex activity readings, soon I will have that protoculture chamber... protoculture chambers are sizing and cloning systems, not power generating systems. if they're detecting "reflex activity", they're most likely picking up th...

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Actually, its worse than that. The Alpha, Condor and Bat all use protoculture (the Bat having first flown in 2013) while the Southern Cross mecha ALL DEVELOPED LATER still relied on SLMH. Oooo, Oooo, I think I have the answer... From a Robotech.com chat on Wed Jun 18 2003 (extraneous comments and c...

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To ESalter, You asked me to provide examples, I did. The first two were contradictions, the others weren't. Not all were about continuity. I'm sure that was an honest mistake and you weren't trying to avoid replies to those examples where you questioned contradiction or continuity. Besides I never a...

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Not all of Earth's military hardware was powered by protoculture. They likely had a plan to phase it in over time, possibly over decades. This is exactly what Yune is saying. I was referring to non-Robotech hardware. Starships, Veritechs, Destroids (later Battloids), and those weapons heavily incor...

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How come those arguing against protoculture powered mecha can accept that humanity had the technical knowledge, resources, and ability to construct and maintain protoculture powered starships during the same eras? Why shouldn't we accept it? I thought you believed that humans used protoculture. Thi...

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rtsurfer wrote: How come those arguing against protoculture powered mecha can accept that humanity had the technical knowledge, resources, and ability to construct and maintain protoculture powered starships during the same eras? Why shouldn't we accept it? I thought you believed that humans used p...

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rtsurfer wrote: Now someone associated with HG comes along, pulls SLMH out of thin air... Hardly thin air; as I said, the fusion theory is the fulfillment of numerous statements throughout the series. Anyway, the idea is not unique to Yune. The first edition RPG used the idea to a limited degree, a...

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show me where "seedlings" are mentioned in the show. all references are to spores, or to the plant itself. From "The Invid Connection", Narrator: ...Hidden inside the ruins of the SDF-1 are the mutated remains of the Robotech Masters abandoned Protoculture factory. The matrix ha...

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Shows are often written to be a "fun show," not necessarily a scientifically accurate one. Based on that, I bet 10 to 1 that we'll never get a final, official answer on how PC is refined and used to power mecha. I can absolutely guarantee that HG will not come up with a science that direc...

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Interesting theory. The Flowers of Life have "spores" and "seedlings". Can seedlings come from spores, and aren't flowering plants generally grown from seeds? Maybe the Flowers of Life mutate from spore based to seed based or vice versa? Perhaps they are actually two plant lifefo...

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If the use of Protoculture in Robotechnology can so easily be replaced by Hydrogen, then why didn't the Masters, the Invid, and the Zentreadi do just that? Would have saved them all trips to Earth, prevented so much loss of life, destruction of technology, and spared Earth 3 invasions. I find it ir...

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If the use of Protoculture in Robotechnology can so easily be replaced by Hydrogen, then why didn't the Masters, the Invid, and the Zentreadi do just that? Would have saved them all trips to Earth, prevented so much loss of life, destruction of technology, and spared Earth 3 invasions. I find it iro...

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Personally, I don't really see the benefit of the Super Logan design over the standard Logan. The redesign seems to make it more off balanced and bulkier. Its additional armament load could just as easily be carried by the Logan, utilizing its existing hard points and/or adding armament (fast) packs...

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That is a nice model IIRC, since Robotech came out in 85 there has been 3 different sets of names used: TV Series/Matchbox & Old RPG (Macek's)/Robotech.com & New RPG (OSM/Yune's) Tomahawk "FOA"/Excalibur/Tomahawk Gladiator "S16"/Raidar X/Defender Defender "S16" ...

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