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The Galactus Kid wrote:The bookworms seem to go against the flavor of the setting as printed now with the remnants of the human resistence not knowing whether they are on earth or a colony world. That being said, I could see them maybe coming out in a future suppliment, but I'd be surprised if it was anything close to what Carmen originally intended.

Slight001 wrote:

The Galactus Kid wrote:The bookworms seem to go against the flavor of the setting as printed now with the remnants of the human resistence not knowing whether they are on earth or a colony world. That being said, I could see them maybe coming out in a future suppliment, but I'd be surprised if it was anything close to what Carmen originally intended.

From what I recall of the mention of the bookworms they were actively restricting knowledge to the general public as they were creating hordes/archives of old books. Why they were doing this from what I remember wasn't covered. I also don't know where I got this information... it feels like actual information and not something I've created.

The Galactus Kid wrote:

Slight001 wrote:

The Galactus Kid wrote:The bookworms seem to go against the flavor of the setting as printed now with the remnants of the human resistence not knowing whether they are on earth or a colony world. That being said, I could see them maybe coming out in a future suppliment, but I'd be surprised if it was anything close to what Carmen originally intended.

From what I recall of the mention of the bookworms they were actively restricting knowledge to the general public as they were creating hordes/archives of old books. Why they were doing this from what I remember wasn't covered. I also don't know where I got this information... it feels like actual information and not something I've created.

Carmen may have mentioned it back in the day when he frequented the forums.

Carmen wrote:

Therumancer wrote:2. Memory discs and such things aside, I can't see books (which are not metal) being totally destroyed. Again this goes with the whole 'I don't buy this whole premise of ignorance' concept.

There are a few books remaining that are horrded by the "Bookworms" an OCC that was cut due to space. But most of these individuals think it is their secret right and duty to keep that knowledge from the people and especially the Librarians. They also actively try to prevent anyone from learning the secrets of their past untill the machine is stopped and the word is theirs again. I hope to cover them in the first sourcebook.

The Oh So Amazing Nate wrote:I'm new to Splicers. Literally just started reading the book today 1-20-14. While I appreciate almost all of my fellow forum mates (there are a couple that pet my cat backwards) I can't believe that ANYONE is still arguing over What Planet It Is. To not know this answer I can only think of 3 possible reasons. 1.) You're illiterate. Nope that can't be the case because you had to read the book to know what was going on. 2.) You have jumped to a conclusion based on your neglect to carefully read the text. 3.) You are a willfully ignorant troll with a desire to be a pain in the tuchas.

Please allow me to refer you to the canon answer to the question of, "Does Splicers take place on Earth." That answer is NO.

Where do I find this information?
Splicers Core Rule Book
First Printing October 2004
Page 6, Second Column, 3rd paragraph, 2nd through 5th lines of text:
Wildlife, both native and colonial, had all but
vanished from the face of the planet, replaced by buildings,
highways and machines. Nature was represented by the cryozoos,
holding native, colonial and some alien DNA of animals

Page 15, Second Column, 4th paragraph, 5th and 6th lines of text:
1) Native life: both plants and animals; 2) colonial life
forms: alien specimens brought here by our ancestors

Native life (the biological forms indigenous/native/there first life of the planet where the game is set)
VS
Colonial life (Alien, Brought Here By Our Ancestors: those of the PC's).

You, the Player are the descendant of a COLONIST. Someone who traveled to a planet that was/is NOT Earth. This planet had its own biological Native Life forms. Your (human) ancestors brought ALIEN biologic LIFE forms with them when they came here.

Now where here (the game world) is or what here is called is completely up to you.

In one of the first pages, the Librarian informs the latest group of Splicer recruits that the planet's landmass was ONCE a single landmass before N.E.X.U.S. terraformed it.

So either this is another planet, or this is indeed Earth......and humans actually existed in their current form tens to hundreds of millions of years ago when there was still a single continent named Pangaea.

Shark_Force wrote:or, considering NEXUS primarily inherited human technology, humans pushed the land back into a single landmass at some point.

I mean, if NEXUS can split the world using technology, humanity could have decided it needed to be pushed together previously. splitting the continents may have been NEXUS deciding to undo some of what it may have decided was a negative change.

Shark_Force wrote:so... your definition of "slowly advanced over time" is that they somehow completely halted progression entirely? it doesn't say they stopped. it doesn't even say where they slowed down at - for all we know they were at rifts golden age technology when they developed NEXUS (and in fact, that's the most likely thing to have happened, considering NEXUS has access to force fields, material science at least on par with, and probably better than, rifts earth, weapons technology surpassing rifts earth, flight technology at least equalling rifts earth, and definitely substantially superior AI and computers technology. not to mention apparent superior nanotechnological advances, too.

NEXUS is *far* more comparable to ARCHIE than it is to anything from our current level of technology. NEXUS military tech is pretty close to what you might see from Triax, though imo slightly beyond. the machine has nanobots that can turn a tin spoon into a combat drone capable of destroying a modern main battle tank within a single melee round, or a paperclip into a vibro-blade, more or less.

none of this suggests in any way that the world had modern earth tech in any way.

furthermore, the mere notion that they *could* have a space colony with millions of people pretty clearly tells us they were beyond our modern technology level. the level of effort involved in getting thousands or hundreds of thousands of people not only out of earth's gravity well but transporting them to another stellar system, which either must have had an earth-like planet (meaning no, they didn't go to the closest ones) or which must have been completely terraformed into an earth-like planet (did i mention this is not sounding like the sort of thing a civilization with modern technology could ever dream of pulling off?).

not to mention we know that gaia has access to massive levels of detailed information about extraterrestrial life forms, to the point where she can basically create them starting from base DNA, which means that humanity not only has gotten to other worlds, but those other worlds have colonies capable of at the very least doing some very in-depth genetic research and sending the information from said research back to earth... bearing in mind that for a single earth species (humans), it took 13 years to map our genome. 13 years. for one species which we had more or less full cooperation from (no need to capture or figure out basic needs of, for example, which is pretty important considering some of the species gaia unleashes in her preserves are not only capable of taking out a modern main battle tank like the spoon drone could, but could actually give a glitter boy a run for their money).

none of this even remotely suggests that humanity had stopped at a level of technology equivalent to modern earth.

cornholioprime wrote:

The Oh So Amazing Nate wrote:I'm new to Splicers. Literally just started reading the book today 1-20-14. While I appreciate almost all of my fellow forum mates (there are a couple that pet my cat backwards) I can't believe that ANYONE is still arguing over What Planet It Is. To not know this answer I can only think of 3 possible reasons. 1.) You're illiterate. Nope that can't be the case because you had to read the book to know what was going on. 2.) You have jumped to a conclusion based on your neglect to carefully read the text. 3.) You are a willfully ignorant troll with a desire to be a pain in the tuchas.

Please allow me to refer you to the canon answer to the question of, "Does Splicers take place on Earth." That answer is NO.

Where do I find this information?
Splicers Core Rule Book
First Printing October 2004
Page 6, Second Column, 3rd paragraph, 2nd through 5th lines of text:
Wildlife, both native and colonial, had all but
vanished from the face of the planet, replaced by buildings,
highways and machines. Nature was represented by the cryozoos,
holding native, colonial and some alien DNA of animals

Page 15, Second Column, 4th paragraph, 5th and 6th lines of text:
1) Native life: both plants and animals; 2) colonial life
forms: alien specimens brought here by our ancestors

Native life (the biological forms indigenous/native/there first life of the planet where the game is set)
VS
Colonial life (Alien, Brought Here By Our Ancestors: those of the PC's).

You, the Player are the descendant of a COLONIST. Someone who traveled to a planet that was/is NOT Earth. This planet had its own biological Native Life forms. Your (human) ancestors brought ALIEN biologic LIFE forms with them when they came here.

Now where here (the game world) is or what here is called is completely up to you.

Once again, ladies and gentlemen, there is a MUCH easier way to determine that Splicers is NOT the planet Earth.

In one of the first pages, the Librarian informs the latest group of Splicer recruits that the planet's landmass was ONCE a single landmass before N.E.X.U.S. terraformed it.

So either this is another planet, or this is indeed Earth......and humans actually existed in their current form tens to hundreds of millions of years ago when there was still a single continent named Pangaea.

sHaka wrote:Nanites are airborne by virtue of being small. Bacteria can't "fly" either.

They infect non-precious metal, so if a person's supply is "exhausted", any contact with metal will still cause a response. Mind you, the airborne nanites will quickly infect a person once again - they saturate the Splicers environment.


Think of the plague as making metal allergic to mammals.

Shark_Force wrote:there are no direct answers canonically, but these are my answers:

only super regeneration, and as fast as it would regenerate its own limb.

LostOne wrote:

Shark_Force wrote:there are no direct answers canonically, but these are my answers:

only super regeneration, and as fast as it would regenerate its own limb.

That's how we've played it as well.

Zer0 Kay wrote:

LostOne wrote:

Shark_Force wrote:there are no direct answers canonically, but these are my answers:

only super regeneration, and as fast as it would regenerate its own limb.

That's how we've played it as well.

Not MDC value rate of arm but completion of suit limb percentage right? (e.g. The pilots arm isn't instantly regenerated with the first MD, but rather as the suits elbow is done so is the pilots, suits wrist and pilots wrist)
Or do.you think otherwise?

Shark_Force wrote:

Zer0 Kay wrote:

LostOne wrote:

Shark_Force wrote:there are no direct answers canonically, but these are my answers:

only super regeneration, and as fast as it would regenerate its own limb.

That's how we've played it as well.

Not MDC value rate of arm but completion of suit limb percentage right? (e.g. The pilots arm isn't instantly regenerated with the first MD, but rather as the suits elbow is done so is the pilots, suits wrist and pilots wrist)
Or do.you think otherwise?

well, unless you rule that the entire arm is regenerated when the first point of MDC is regenerated for some reason (bearing in mind that i already said it takes as long to regenerate as it takes for the suit to regenerate), no it won't be on the first point of MDC.

in fact, i'm afb at the moment, but i'm pretty sure the time to regenerate a limb for the super regeneration host armour is in fact not measured in MDC at all, so i'm not even sure where that question came from. unless i'm remembering completely wrong, super regeneration recovers far more MDC in the amount of time it takes to regenerate a limb than their limb could ever hope to have.

ZulkirJhor wrote:Since your Host Armor eats via its mouth, and you enter from its back, how does one eat, drink or take care of other bodily functions without leaving? The longest a human can go without food or water is much less than the 16 to 36 days required to regenerate.

The Galactus Kid wrote:

ZulkirJhor wrote:Since your Host Armor eats via its mouth, and you enter from its back, how does one eat, drink or take care of other bodily functions without leaving? The longest a human can go without food or water is much less than the 16 to 36 days required to regenerate.

Certain metabolisms can provide nourishment, but there is a new enhancement in the "Genetic Expressions" that covers this specifically for other armors.

LostOne wrote:I didn't realize Rifter 50 had Splicers stuff in it, will have to borrow that from a friend. What other Rifters have Splicers material in them? I know 32, 37, 38 and now 50.

ZulkirJhor wrote:Since your Host Armor eats via its mouth, and you enter from its back, how does one eat, drink or take care of other bodily functions without leaving? The longest a human can go without food or water is much less than the 16 to 36 days required to regenerate.

The two options that come to mind is partially exiting the armor, which seems silly and like it could ruin the regeneration... or that you can somehow eat and drink with the armor on, which is unintuitive at best.