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Sorry if this has been asked before. Given that there is a spell that can bind Nightbane, are they considered creatures of magic? Do spells to sense magic and creatures of magic sense Nightbane? Does Dispell Magic have any effect on Nightbane?

Stone Gargoyle wrote:Sorry if this has been asked before. Given that there is a spell that can bind Nightbane, are they considered creatures of magic? Do spells to sense magic and creatures of magic sense Nightbane? Does Dispell Magic have any effect on Nightbane?

No they are unique in that they count as both mortal beings and supernatural creatures (as per Through the Glass Darkly where grafting parts via Fleshsculpting is discussed).

While in morphous they are pretty clearly undetectable as the rules go to great pains to tell us that they can hide this way from things that can sense supernatural.
when transformed they would trigger things that sense supernatural and likely can be stopped by circles and wards as well.
Dispell Magic has no effect on them or any CoM.

Do you mean facade, when they look human, they are not detectable? you said in morphus...

Stone Gargoyle wrote:Do you mean facade, when they look human, they are not detectable? you said in morphus...

yeah that is what I meant
Facade is mortal
Morphous is Supernatural

eliakon wrote:

Stone Gargoyle wrote:Do you mean facade, when they look human, they are not detectable? you said in morphus...

yeah that is what I meant
Facade is mortal
Morphous is Supernatural

Supernatural Being or Creature of Magic? Since they are immortal and not born I think they would more likely fall into the Supernatural Being category not creature of magic. IMO

Warshield73 wrote:

eliakon wrote:

Stone Gargoyle wrote:Do you mean facade, when they look human, they are not detectable? you said in morphus...

yeah that is what I meant
Facade is mortal
Morphous is Supernatural

Supernatural Being or Creature of Magic? Since they are immortal and not born I think they would more likely fall into the Supernatural Being category not creature of magic. IMO

They may or may not be immortal (there isn't anything official either way)... not that it matters, as there are a *lot* of supernatural beings that have fixed lifespans.
And we have no canon on where they come from either


But yeah, I said Supernatural Being for a reason... that is officially what they are. They are *not* Creatures of Magic.

Thank you for the clarification.

Warshield73 wrote:Supernatural Being or Creature of Magic? Since they are immortal and not born I think they would more likely fall into the Supernatural Being category not creature of magic. IMO

The current Text of the NightBane gamebooks, more the newer ones than older, implies, like so closely that it all but says it outright, that they are just humans with an additional side to them. Not..."not born".

Now Talking about NightSpawn....when integrating what the writer said about the ideas around the NS, yes, 'Not Born'. Though a better word for them would be 'foundlings'. Not the orphans that the text used. However, because of the modern setting of the NS game is played in, the society of the setting would label them as orphans because they would have no understanding of a wraith of the formless ones appearing in human (child) form, and the society would presume that the foundling would of had parents/progenitors & thus an orphan.
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As to the OP topic question.....NB & NS are not CoM in any way. The text for both say that they are supernatural in their Morphus & read as normal mundane humans in their facade. The only way the text of the game books hints that they can possibly be detected as something other than human is via 'the read/see aura' power/spell. But that is in text some here would dismiss or omit from consideration in which text should define the game because it is what they would call "flavor text'. Which is fine for house rules, not fine when talking about what the canon text says.