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V-Origin wrote:Is it possible to shrink a hero and fly/teleport into an enemy's mouth into his body or just stay in his mouth.

Then start attacking the enemy's mouth and body from the inside?

So if let's say if a character like ant-man fly or teleport into a bio-borg enemy and then attempt to grow himself inside the bio-borg enemy, wouldn't the enemy explode?

zerombr wrote:i just want to go on record that I LOATHE this sort of concept about as much as 'I just turn into a whale and fall on him!"

taalismn wrote:
"Oh no. Not again."

zerombr wrote:i just want to go on record that I LOATHE this sort of concept about as much as 'I just turn into a whale and fall on him!"

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

zerombr wrote:i just want to go on record that I LOATHE this sort of concept about as much as 'I just turn into a whale and fall on him!"

Any particular reason, other than the obvious Ick factor?

taalismn wrote:Or the GM allows it, but the resultant PR backlash gets the person who uses the tactic targeted by every hero/villain in the country, backed by the appropriate organizations. The character gets dog-piled by numbers, if not abilities the supposedly unstoppable tactic doesn't work on.

Or, worse yet, the GM allows the same tactic to be used against the person who invented it, if just to prove to the PC just how it feels to be on the receiving end.

zerombr wrote:yeah, I hate the idea of auto-wins. The idea of cherry picking specific abilities to work together in ways that are generally against the rules (see using ectoplasm to put pencils in peoples heads or other power ideas that the staff has nixed), just vexes me. If nothing else the idea of a character finding ideas like that a) something they want to repeat, covered in blood and gore at the horror they've caused. b) the character just somehow ended up with these powers that just specifically allow this crazy combo thing to happen.

I know I can be a bit of a stick in the mud, but you're not really a hero if your main attack plan is 'explode the guy from within', 'drop on the guy as a whale', or otherwise attack him in ways that most people can't defend against turning him into ludicrous gibs.

Hero!

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

zerombr wrote:yeah, I hate the idea of auto-wins. The idea of cherry picking specific abilities to work together in ways that are generally against the rules (see using ectoplasm to put pencils in peoples heads or other power ideas that the staff has nixed), just vexes me. If nothing else the idea of a character finding ideas like that a) something they want to repeat, covered in blood and gore at the horror they've caused. b) the character just somehow ended up with these powers that just specifically allow this crazy combo thing to happen.

I know I can be a bit of a stick in the mud, but you're not really a hero if your main attack plan is 'explode the guy from within', 'drop on the guy as a whale', or otherwise attack him in ways that most people can't defend against turning him into ludicrous gibs.

Hero!

I can understand that, but I also don't entirely agree with it. Some people do enjoy the challange of combat and turn-by-turn adaption and tactics. Others find their fun in stratagy and and character creation and winning their fights before the game even starts.

The only problem is when they get mixed into the same group. The group that enjoys the thrill of combat feel cheated by those who build Overpowered characters who never feel challanged, while the players making them feel entitled to enjoy the fruits of their cunning and see no reason to make bad choices just to drag out the fight.

I've found the happiest groups are ones where all the players fall into the same catagory. Either they are all the type who want to play Fair with reasonably balanced characters and opponents for the challange of combat, or they're all the type who want to curbstomp the enemies as efficently as possible, preferably with the villians not even getting a turn before their heads explode.

I've also found it's not even really an issue of Roleplayers vs. Powergamers. I've been in several groups of Serious Roleplayers who enjoy playing overpowerd characters so they can cut the combats short to just a turn or two and get back to Roleplaying their characters. Not everyone enjoys the combat aspect of RPG's. Sometimes the reason they want to Gib the villians is just an immature power fantasy, and sometimes Combat's just their least favorite part of the game and they want it to be over ASAP. The idea of an Auto-Win is very attractive if you just want to get back to what you were doing before the villian interupted.

So I do respect your preference for "Fair" fights in Heroes games, but I will point out that doen't mean that everyone who doesn't feel the same way is doing it wrong. I generally, for my part, perfer World-Building games. Last night the session was about the party using their superpowers to save a village from flooding. Not just saving people from drowning or clearing the floodwaters, but figuring out how to salvage crops so they don't have a famine and even trying to fix their infastructure and build a Dam so that kind of flooding doesn't happen again. You don't need a Villain or a fight to have interesting challanges for a Super-Powered party, and frankly in a space-spanning game, a villain twirling his moustash and robbing a bank is probablly the least interesting challange that i'd rather not waste my time with. Explode his head and get back to the fun part.

Really, why dont' more superhero games focus on Noncombat use of Superpowers. I'd rather build a weather control machine then yet another ray gun. Clean Energy and water will save far more lives than punching Dr. Evil in the face 30 times until his SDC is slowly depleted. I'd rather just end the fight quickly and get back to saving the world.

taalismn wrote:On the other hand, in RL, unless you've got Rules of Engagement you need to follow, the eyes of the media on you, or ethical scruples, people tend to use the expedient means of getting the job done.

Exploding people from inside falls on the other side of the dividing line(though it depends on your opponent; killing an enemy conscript who can plink at you? Not good. Demon Lord with the potential to kill thousands? Okay.)

It's like the oft-made criticism of Voltron:
"Why don't we START with 'FORM BLAZING SWORD!' if that's our guaranteed kill-it attack?!"

zerombr wrote:I'm all for different challenges too. I just like cinematic combat, and if that turns out to be a predictable 'plan A' where someone exploits the rules to instakill somebody repeatedly, and does that every single combat, all the while giggling (and yes I have had this player), then I have absolutely no interest in running for someone who is so gleeful to abuse rules.

Then again I did say I'm something of a stick in the mud

Stone Gargoyle wrote:

zerombr wrote:I'm all for different challenges too. I just like cinematic combat, and if that turns out to be a predictable 'plan A' where someone exploits the rules to instakill somebody repeatedly, and does that every single combat, all the while giggling (and yes I have had this player), then I have absolutely no interest in running for someone who is so gleeful to abuse rules.

Then again I did say I'm something of a stick in the mud

As someone who has had a player have a supposed hero go on a killing spree, I can relate. I do all that I can to discourage instakill tactics.

zerombr wrote:I'm all for different challenges too. I just like cinematic combat, and if that turns out to be a predictable 'plan A' where someone exploits the rules to instakill somebody repeatedly, and does that every single combat, all the while giggling (and yes I have had this player), then I have absolutely no interest in running for someone who is so gleeful to abuse rules.

Then again I did say I'm something of a stick in the mud