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Re: Which game lines would you close?
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:21 pm
by Damian Magecraft
Granted full control?
I would announce a 4 books per year schedule Plus 6 Rifters per year.
The schedule would be
Rifts 1st quarter
TBA 2nd quarter
Rifts 3rd quarter
TBA 4th quarter
(TBA would be a cycling of PF, HU, BTS, NB, possible new lines, etc...)
The Rifter schedule would still be the usual Quarterly plus 2 additional "re-print" issues.
The Re-Prints would "best of" collections based around whatever lines we chose to not print that year.
Example: 1Q: Rifts & a Rifter; 2Q: PF, a Rifter, & a Best of the The Rifter NB edition; 3Q: Rifts & a Rifter, 4Q: HU, a Rifter, & a Best of The Rifter BTS edition.
Re: Which game lines would you close?
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:23 pm
by Glistam
None of them.
Re: Which game lines would you close?
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 1:57 pm
by say652
the ones where the last forum post was like 2011. jussayin. maybe the two fans got into a dispute over sixth sense and nolonger game together.
Re: Which game lines would you close?
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:16 pm
by Grand Paladin
TMNT hasn't been a licensed property for Palladium in many moons, and probably should be replaced with Ninjas and Superspies.
Re: Which game lines would you close?
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:24 pm
by Grug
I just wanted to let whoever said PFRPG know that I'm going to hunt you down and force you to role play it till your hands cramp from dice rolling!
Re: Which game lines would you close?
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:30 pm
by BuzzardB
I voted pretty much everything except Rifts, Palladium Fantasy, Heroes and Robotech.
4 Books a year, 1 of each. Never again have to wait years upon years for the next book in the line.
Re: Which game lines would you close?
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:58 pm
by say652
I personally feel. Two lines. Sdc dimensions and mdc dimensions. Corresponding canon for each.
Deas reign Heroes Unlimited palladium fantasy nightbane after the bomb ninjas and super spies. One setting.
Re: Which game lines would you close?
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 6:50 pm
by Icefalcon
I definitely think PF should be dropped. Yes I know a few hundred people still play it. However, there are fantasy games out there that do it better that a few MILLION people play.
Re: Which game lines would you close?
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:10 pm
by ffranceschi
NONE. Specially RIFTS, SPLICERS and HU.
Re: Which game lines would you close?
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:52 pm
by drewkitty ~..~
Those of you who chose TMNT are too late, it is long gone.
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Where is Macross 2 in that list???? It is more recent then TMNT.
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Control....
Put Rifts on a 2 year sabbatical and focus on the other settings.
Rifters....same as is, and add in "Collection Issues" magic, Psi, BTS, "canon publications from in the Rifters", etc..
Re: Which game lines would you close?
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:47 pm
by Icefalcon
drewkitty ~..~ wrote:Put Rifts on a 2 year sabbatical and focus on the other settings.
I don't think their biggest seller is ever going to see a sabbatical. That would seriously cripple the line first off and reduce Palladium sales to an all time low.
Re: Which game lines would you close?
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:58 pm
by drewkitty ~..~
Icefalcon wrote:drewkitty ~..~ wrote:Put Rifts on a 2 year sabbatical and focus on the other settings.
I don't think their biggest seller is ever going to see a sabbatical. That would seriously cripple the line first off and reduce Palladium sales to an all time low.
Was answering a "What if....." question. As such the answer does not have to be realistic.
Re: Which game lines would you close?
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:52 pm
by Icefalcon
drewkitty ~..~ wrote:Icefalcon wrote:drewkitty ~..~ wrote:Put Rifts on a 2 year sabbatical and focus on the other settings.
I don't think their biggest seller is ever going to see a sabbatical. That would seriously cripple the line first off and reduce Palladium sales to an all time low.
Was answering a "What if....." question. As such the answer does not have to be realistic.
You have me there. It just seems like it would cripple the company not matter who was in charge was all the point I was trying to make.
Re: Which game lines would you close?
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:56 pm
by Icefalcon
Nightfactory wrote:Here's what I picked:
Rifts: Chaos Earth - Because it's not a stand-alone game (main book), has few supplements, is poorly-designed, and seems to be more of an after-thought than anything else. Rifts RUE explains everything in Chaos Earth making it completely unneccessary.
Dead Reign - Never really took off, hasn't been well supported, and it seems like a mash-up of BTS, Nightbane, and Systems Failure.
BTS - Basically a rip-off of Call of Cthulhu (my opinion) to compete with that market. Again, hasn't been well-supported. Let it die.
After The Bomb - Never took off, not well-supported, and almost nobody anywhere plays this. Most people I've met are not even aware that it's a Palladium title.
TMNT - Dead and gone aeons ago, plus no liscence.
Systems Failure - Same as ATB.
Mechanoids - LET IT GO. I realize it was Palladium's first game, but it's been several decades and its time to put this one in the grave. The Mechanoids are ridiculously powerful to the effect that nobody is ever going to defeat them as they are written. They have added absolutely nothing to Rifts and the infamous "Mechanoids Space" book has become a bitter joke even amoung the die-hard fanboy types. Let's face it: nothing is ever going to be published in this line again, and if something was published, it would flop anyway because the system is primitive at best and the Mechanoids are simply too powerful and unballancing. This should've been dropped 20+ years ago.
My thought is that Palladium has spread itself too thin with its many game lines and that's a big part of the problem. I think Palladium should focus on it's lines that are selling because they can only do so much. The lines that have not taken off should be dumped. To use an analogy, the famous fastfood company McDonalds, Taco Bell, and Jack In The Box are always coming out with new test products. They offer them for a while and see how they sell. If they are big sellers, they eventually incorporate them into their main line. But if they do not sell well, then the companies realize that these products are simply not popular and dump them. Same concept here.
I will have to disagree on the points you bring up on Dead Reign. Even among gamers I know that would touch anything else done by Palladium, they are still buying Dead Reign books. As for support, there are 5 book other than the core book, two of which released in the last 18 months or so.
Re: Which game lines would you close?
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:15 pm
by BookWyrm
TACOS!
Re: Which game lines would you close?
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:58 pm
by The Dark Elf
Icefalcon wrote:Nightfactory wrote:Here's what I picked:
Rifts: Chaos Earth - Because it's not a stand-alone game (main book), has few supplements, is poorly-designed, and seems to be more of an after-thought than anything else. Rifts RUE explains everything in Chaos Earth making it completely unneccessary.
Dead Reign - Never really took off, hasn't been well supported, and it seems like a mash-up of BTS, Nightbane, and Systems Failure.
BTS - Basically a rip-off of Call of Cthulhu (my opinion) to compete with that market. Again, hasn't been well-supported. Let it die.
After The Bomb - Never took off, not well-supported, and almost nobody anywhere plays this. Most people I've met are not even aware that it's a Palladium title.
TMNT - Dead and gone aeons ago, plus no liscence.
Systems Failure - Same as ATB.
Mechanoids - LET IT GO. I realize it was Palladium's first game, but it's been several decades and its time to put this one in the grave. The Mechanoids are ridiculously powerful to the effect that nobody is ever going to defeat them as they are written. They have added absolutely nothing to Rifts and the infamous "Mechanoids Space" book has become a bitter joke even amoung the die-hard fanboy types. Let's face it: nothing is ever going to be published in this line again, and if something was published, it would flop anyway because the system is primitive at best and the Mechanoids are simply too powerful and unballancing. This should've been dropped 20+ years ago.
My thought is that Palladium has spread itself too thin with its many game lines and that's a big part of the problem. I think Palladium should focus on it's lines that are selling because they can only do so much. The lines that have not taken off should be dumped. To use an analogy, the famous fastfood company McDonalds, Taco Bell, and Jack In The Box are always coming out with new test products. They offer them for a while and see how they sell. If they are big sellers, they eventually incorporate them into their main line. But if they do not sell well, then the companies realize that these products are simply not popular and dump them. Same concept here.
I will have to disagree on the points you bring up on Dead Reign. Even among gamers I know that would touch anything else done by Palladium, they are still buying Dead Reign books. As for support, there are 5 book other than the core book, two of which released in the last 18 months or so.
I actually strongly agree with Ice on DR. Being in the UK its hard to judge what takes off in the US so I am interested in why you (NF) think it hasnt taken off. I think that PB's has done a decent job supporting DR too (obviously this comparison is against their own support of lines and not another comment on PB's compared to other RPG companies - dont want that story to rear its head again pls).
Re: Which game lines would you close?
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:20 pm
by Premier
As long............ as I have any....... thing to do with working on Palladium Books products as a freelancer I can pretty much assure you that SPLICERS won't be a closed IP!!! Way.... too many following and building, let alone the NEW material that is submitted and soon to be submitted, that will VERY likely see publication.
Don't underestimate the Splice, IT will FLOW
Just sayin
Re: Which game lines would you close?
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:38 pm
by krispy
Premier wrote:As long............ as I have any....... thing to do with working on Palladium Books products as a freelancer I can pretty much assure you that SPLICERS won't be a closed IP!!! Way.... too many following and building, let alone the NEW material that is submitted and soon to be submitted, that will VERY likely see publication.
Don't underestimate the Splice, IT will FLOW
Just sayin
The Splice WILL FLOW
I started with Rifts, and i love the setting.... but since Splicers appeared on the scene, I haven't looked at Rifts.
Splicers is an awesome game.
Re: Which game lines would you close?
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:26 pm
by Icefalcon
Premier wrote:As long............ as I have any....... thing to do with working on Palladium Books products as a freelancer I can pretty much assure you that SPLICERS won't be a closed IP!!! Way.... too many following and building, let alone the NEW material that is submitted and soon to be submitted, that will VERY likely see publication.
Don't underestimate the Splice, IT will FLOW
Just sayin
Sorry to say Chuck, I don't find the line to be appealing. I don't visit the Splicers forums, so I am unsure of just how many people are into that line but I have to assume it is nowhere near the numbers for the top three lines. I don't begrudge others for their favorite game lines but Splicers has seen less support than any other line; at least as far as I know. Even if their had been a large number wanting more for this line, what is the possibility a good number of them have moved on due to lack of support?
Re: Which game lines would you close?
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:18 am
by Transcendence
I'd like to see a relaunch that balances the Megaversal ideal more (I love to run 'Sliders' style games taking the groups from world to world). I'm ok with keeping the SDC/MDC system but love the addition from chaos earth on more normal world SDC items that can hurt demons like silver to werewolves and vampires. Perhaps establishing 'levels of the megaversal tech to make things more interchangeable. I don't like seeing in Rifts a 30 foot robots ten foot long rifle doing the same damage as a three foot blaster a buy has strapped to his back.
One suggestion would be more 'Adventure books' like other company's. I loved picking up back in the day the rifts Adventure and miss the good old hook/line/sinker (or lights/ camera/action) or the books 'siege of Tolkien'
Re: Which game lines would you close?
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:47 pm
by Premier
krispy wrote:Premier wrote:As long............ as I have any....... thing to do with working on Palladium Books products as a freelancer I can pretty much assure you that SPLICERS won't be a closed IP!!! Way.... too many following and building, let alone the NEW material that is submitted and soon to be submitted, that will VERY likely see publication.
Don't underestimate the Splice, IT will FLOW
Just sayin
The Splice WILL FLOW
I started with Rifts, and i love the setting.... but since Splicers appeared on the scene, I haven't looked at Rifts.
Splicers is an awesome game.
Exactly! My start with Palladium was Rifts & Robotech back in the late 88-89, but ever since I dug deep into Splicers (incredibly underrated or overlooked) and truly saw what its potential was, not to mention the awesome fanbase and fan made material being so inspirational and some of the best material on these forums that I have seen, I have not looked back. This setting will flow indeed!!!
Re: Which game lines would you close?
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:54 pm
by jaymz
I would keep Rifts, PFRPG, and HU. That is it.
Dead Reign, in my opinion, has run it's course. Robotech has just about done so as well.
EVERYTHING ELSE (and including Dead Reign) would be relegated to Rifter articles or Online Content only. However I would increase the Rifter to0 6 issues a year.
Re: Which game lines would you close?
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:10 pm
by Premier
Icefalcon wrote:Premier wrote:As long............ as I have any....... thing to do with working on Palladium Books products as a freelancer I can pretty much assure you that SPLICERS won't be a closed IP!!! Way.... too many following and building, let alone the NEW material that is submitted and soon to be submitted, that will VERY likely see publication.
Don't underestimate the Splice, IT will FLOW
Just sayin
Sorry to say Chuck, I don't find the line to be appealing. I don't visit the Splicers forums, so I am unsure of just how many people are into that line but I have to assume it is nowhere near the numbers for the top three lines. I don't begrudge others for their favorite game lines but Splicers has seen less support than any other line; at least as far as I know. Even if their had been a large number wanting more for this line, what is the possibility a good number of them have moved on due to lack of support?
No Problem Ice Falcon, it may not be for everyone, nothing truly is, but it indeed will not cease.
The Splicers forums are pure awesomeness with some of the best posters and creative imaginations in the Palladium community, IMHO. I do agree that it has suffered tremendously from the lack of support, but the increasing support that has recently surged will see it rise again, that I am confident in. The top three lines have their worthy support and I am glad to see them thriving, but there is no "good" reason why they can't or shouldn't be joined with another awesome game that delivers a wonderful, unique setting and entertaining gaming experience. That's why I don't see why Splicers gets hated on some much as "if" it threatens the support of other gamelines. BTW, not directed at you Icefalcon, just speaking on what I have observed. Personally, I understand cutting off a game that is not licensed anymore or a gameline that Freelancers aren't submitting scripts to or where the following isn't there to sustain interest or sales.
However, with Splicers its not the case at all:
A. It has a "growing" following and a strong, devoted supportive fanbase "WE are the SPLICEHEADS!!!".
B. It is still being supported with recent material in Rifters on a steady basis.
C. There is no other RPG out like it right now from ANY other gaming company! It is simply "one of" the most unique games there is.
D. With only one core book released it was nominated as "Game of the Year". With more published support, it will likely surge with positive results.
E. There is an increasing amount of completed scripts being turned in by published Freelancers in Palladium's current roster to meet the growing demand for this setting. The likelihood of published support for Splicers is VERY HIGH!!!
I could continue to list reasons why this gameline won't be shut down, but I think I have stated enough to support the case.
Re: Which game lines would you close?
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:11 pm
by Premier
jaymz wrote:I would keep Rifts, PFRPG, and HU. That is it.
Dead Reign, in my opinion, has run it's course. Robotech has just about done so as well.
EVERYTHING ELSE (and including Dead Reign) would be relegated to Rifter articles or Online Content only. However I would increase the Rifter to0 6 issues a year.
I am pretty confident that Dead Reign sales will argue otherwise on that one.
Re: Which game lines would you close?
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:47 pm
by jaymz
Premier wrote:jaymz wrote:I would keep Rifts, PFRPG, and HU. That is it.
Dead Reign, in my opinion, has run it's course. Robotech has just about done so as well.
EVERYTHING ELSE (and including Dead Reign) would be relegated to Rifter articles or Online Content only. However I would increase the Rifter to0 6 issues a year.
I am pretty confident that Dead Reign sales will argue otherwise on that one.
Sales are one thing...content is another. From what I have seen the bulk of the "new content" is not really that new but mostly tables etc. I can make my own tables. If we have to wait as long as we do for a new book, I want something with actual content not a 48 page splat book with a bunch of tables most gamers can make in their sleep.
Also, this was a what if. I answered. I didn't think this was going to be a debate.
Edit - you will also notice I did not say all the lines would be ended and buried but relegated to the online content and The Rifter so NEW content could be written and published just not as it's own line.