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Unread postPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:29 pm
  

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Comment: Palladium Books Canon is set solely by Kevin Siembieda, either in person, or by his approval of published material.
Several of the vehicle write ups have non-standard missiles in there write ups.
While we can pretty safely assume that the 70mm rocket is a special snowflake...
what about stuff like
-Reflex Torpedo Macross Saga 148
-Heavy Reflex Torpedo Macross Saga 195
Are these special snowflakes as well or simply LRMs? They seem strongly to be simply an LRM due the Reflex Torpedo being stated out with the Proton Torpedo which IS an LRM...
...but they also seem to have some wonky aiming rules.

And then there are these guys.
-Short Range: High Explosive Fragmentation Macross Saga pg142
-Long Range: HEAP Macross Saga pg163
Standard sizes, but found only in the write ups of specific units.
Can other units take them or only the units that list them?

I'm sure there are more examples out there that I haven't found yet as well.

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Unread postPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:58 am
  

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Sadly, my version of Macross Saga has only 128 pages. (It's the large one.)
I would have to search the whole thing in order to confirm the missiles you have here.
Maybe the best would be to quote them with the weapon platform that use them?

I'm also not sure about what you mean or are getting to with this "special snowflake" missile statement.
I would guess that as long as something does fire missiles / torpedoes of a roughly equivalent weight / calibre, then the type could be interchangeable.
Bearing in mind that, usually, modifications would have to go toward smaller missiles, not bigger, due to the frame limitations.

With this said...
While going over the books and their peculiar editing, for my Gm, there was this strange situation arising where it seems that there is a load of missiles which might be difficult to inventory since there was not a definitive table done by Palladium themselves. (In the books.) I did however manage to find a topic about it and we found it to be most useful. The source might have been here, or somewhere else...

Quote:
"standard" earth missiles
Mini-missile - 5lbs/2.25kg
Short Ranged Missile - 33lbs/15kg
Medium Range Missile - 80lbs/36.6kg
Long Range Missile - 1000lbs/450kg
non-standard missiles;
60mm rockets (MM) - about 1.3lbs/.4kg
(RL-6 rocket launcher RT:SC pg145)*
HARM-80 - 800lbs/360kg (RT:MS pg69, 87)
190mm ATGMS (SRM) - 46.6lbs/21kg (MK-17 AAML. RT:MS, pg135)
178mm SAM (MRM) - 191lbs/86kg (MK-18 AAML. RT:MS, pg135)
377mm MMDS-8 SAM (MRM) - 225lbs/101kg (RT:SC pg149)
800mm HMDS-10 TBM (LRM) - 650lbs/292.5kg (RT:SC pg150)
Zentreadi Missiles:
Zentreadi mini - ?
Zentreadi SRM - ?
Zentreadi MRM - 400lbs/180kg
Zentreadi LRM - 3 tons
Standard Earth Bombs:
mini-bomb - 100lbs/50kg
light bomb - 500lbs/225kg
medium bombs - 1000lbs/500kg
heavy bombs - 2000lbs/500kg

Also found:
70mm MLOP (Mini Missile) -15lbs/6.8kg
(Masters Saga pg160 & Macross Saga pg97),
flat range

Of Note:
Missile sizes w/ standard weight for its
classification (damage/range):

190mm for SRM (Alpha, other entries omit size
except in Macross Saga pg 31 & 43)

178mm SRM (Macross Saga pg 32)

78mm for Mini Missile
(Alpha, other entries omit size)

433mm LRM (Macross Saga pg 40)

313mm MRM
(Macross Saga pg 160, Zentreadi-style)

791mm LRM
(Macross Saga pg 163, Zentreadi-style)

Missile size w/o weight, but classified
(damage/range)

533mm MRM (Macross Saga pg50)

190mm SRM (Macross Saga pg 107)

150mm SRM
(Macross Saga pg 173, Zentreadi-style)

178mm SRM
(Macross Saga pg 175 & 187, Zentreadi-style)

103mm Mini Missile
(Macross Saga pg 175 & 183, Zentreadi-style),
flat range

70mm Mini Missile (Masters Saga pg118),
flat range

60mm Mini Missile (Masters Saga pg 189),
Laser-Guided


The guys in that topic seemed pretty convinced they had it all listed. I did not personally verified it all, or compiled my own list yet.
I do hope this help. At the very least it might speed up the process of whatever level of detailed classification might be needed here.

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Unread postPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:22 am
  

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as the guy who compiled that list, while i felt i was fairly comprehensive, i am not infallible so might have missed a few. especially as i was primarily looking for missile sizes, not necessarily odd damages or names.

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Unread postPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:08 am
  

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glitterboy2098 wrote:
as the guy who compiled that list, while i felt i was fairly comprehensive, i am not infallible so might have missed a few. especially as i was primarily looking for missile sizes, not necessarily odd damages or names.


Still. Thank you for your hard work. AND confirming my source. ^^

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Unread postPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:17 am
  

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Unless otherwise indicated I would treat them as "special" and designed for that particular unit (possibly even model) or launcher. They would be classified by range (as listed in the entry), so the Tropedoes are LRMs for game mechanic purposes.


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eliakon wrote:
what about stuff like
-Reflex Torpedo Macross Saga 148
-Heavy Reflex Torpedo Macross Saga 195
Are these special snowflakes as well or simply LRMs? They seem strongly to be simply an LRM due the Reflex Torpedo being stated out with the Proton Torpedo which IS an LRM...
...but they also seem to have some wonky aiming rules.

Those are, IIRC, the descriptions for ship-mounted anti-warship ordnance... I'd consider them "special" on the grounds that the exemplars are so large they would be impossible to mount on a VF.



eliakon wrote:
And then there are these guys.
-Short Range: High Explosive Fragmentation Macross Saga pg142
-Long Range: HEAP Macross Saga pg163
Standard sizes, but found only in the write ups of specific units.
Can other units take them or only the units that list them?

For the mecha ones, I'd be inclined to say that they could be taken as standard types.

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