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This OCC gives you no language skills, does that mean you have to use related or secondary skills to speak, or do you get one language to start?
Also, is there an update for this OCC anywhere?

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 Post subject: Re: Temporal Warriors
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Language (and even Literacy) Skills are not always listed in their description (for Rifts this is very rare IINM). I would say you get one language (native) to start, or depending on the OCC backstory structure (related to language).

As for an update to the OCC, not that I know of.


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 Post subject: Re: Temporal Warriors
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There's no update and as far as I know no errata for this OCC. All I did for this character was give him native language, other languages and literacy have to come from other and secondary.

Given the back story of the temporal warrior and the skills of the temporal wizard you could make an argument for getting native language and maybe Dragonese at +10 to 20%.

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 Post subject: Re: Temporal Warriors
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It's not expressly written, but speaking your native language is automatic. There's a few classes that list it, but most don't.

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 Post subject: Re: Temporal Warriors
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You could just mod the class into a MOS to add onto a char.

Mack wrote:
It's not expressly written, but speaking your native language is automatic. There's a few classes that list it, but most don't.

An no....a language skill is not automatic...In Rifts. It Has to be expressly written as being automatic to be automatic.

Please state your 'House Rules' as 'Your' 'house rules'. Or to say you something like: they should be automatic even if not expressly written.

The Rifts game is not one of the games that do have native language skills as automatic. The HU, N&S or BTS (& RT2) are where the native language skills are automatic along with driving and basic math.

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 Post subject: Re: Temporal Warriors
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drewkitty ~..~ wrote:
You could just mod the class into a MOS to add onto a char.

Mack wrote:
It's not expressly written, but speaking your native language is automatic. There's a few classes that list it, but most don't.

An no....a language skill is not automatic...In Rifts. It Has to be expressly written as being automatic to be automatic.

Um... no. It's way too inconsistent over way too many books.

As far as I can tell, in some of the newer books they did begin to list a native language in the skill section. But older classes, such as the Temporal Warrior in question, were printed well before that. So we've got a choice: 1) Temporal Warriors don't know how to speak by default, or 2) Temporal Warriors can speak just like a normal person.

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 Post subject: Re: Temporal Warriors
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As far as I can tell, in some of the newer books they did begin to list a native language in the skill section. But older classes, such as the Temporal Warrior in question, were printed well before that. So we've got a choice: 1) Temporal Warriors don't know how to speak by default, or 2) Temporal Warriors can speak just like a normal person.


So What I am hearing you say just now is that you meant was Is that 'All Characters Should be able to speak their native Language.' even if it isn't expressly written that they do.

That is Different from what you said in your 1st post. In that post you said some that wasn't expressly written in the canon text, as if it was.

Drewkitty <--- OCD with words.

IF I am incorrect, and this changed somewhere. Feel Free to cite the location....In a Rifts game book, that is expressly written to cover ALL characters.

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 Post subject: Re: Temporal Warriors
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Giving 'em Native and one of choice(presumably Dragonese) is reasonable enough, and it's silly to act as if an editing oversight actually means there is either: an obligatory skill expense not expressly stated, or there are somehow Temp. Warriors out there trained over the course of years without any conventional understanding of language.

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 Post subject: Re: Temporal Warriors
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drewkitty ~..~ wrote:
Mack wrote:
As far as I can tell, in some of the newer books they did begin to list a native language in the skill section. But older classes, such as the Temporal Warrior in question, were printed well before that. So we've got a choice: 1) Temporal Warriors don't know how to speak by default, or 2) Temporal Warriors can speak just like a normal person.


So What I am hearing you say just now is that you meant was Is that 'All Characters Should be able to speak their native Language.' even if it isn't expressly written that they do.

That is Different from what you said in your 1st post. In that post you said some that wasn't expressly written in the canon text, as if it was.

Drewkitty <--- OCD with words.

IF I am incorrect, and this changed somewhere. Feel Free to cite the location....In a Rifts game book, that is expressly written to cover ALL characters.

I suspect there's some miscommunication at play here.

Here's an example of my reasoning, also from Rifts England: take a look a the Chiang-Ku Tattoo Master, which represent about 50% of all Chiang-Ku. They don't get any language skills to start, and don't gain any skills as they level up. If taken strictly as written, a one thousand year old dragon wouldn't be able to naturally speak a word. Flip forward to the NPC Prrcyvel, he'd only be able to speak when using a magic tattoo, which is a pretty severe limitation.

(Note - trying to spell "Prrcyvel" makes my head hurt.)

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 Post subject: Re: Temporal Warriors
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I do agree that every Character class 'should' have a native language listing. And house ruling that they do would be something I'd do for rifts as a GM.

Dragons have their own RCC where they get their own language 'from the egg'.

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 Post subject: Re: Temporal Warriors
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Even if you look in the RMB, whether OCCs have their native language listed is INCREDIBLY inconsistent (Palladium was inconsistent within a single book. Look, I am terribly surprised.) Some list American, some do not. Some say "additional languages", some do not.

For me, "Does not speak a language unless specifically selected" is a nonsense option, so I assume they speak at least one language (probably Dragonese). Being raised with only combat as a language is a superhero origin, not a standard OCC feature.

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 Post subject: Re: Temporal Warriors
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Probably one of the stronger arguments in Rifts for native language speaking being assumed is how in 1990 page 31 defined it as "in a language other than their native tongue"

Which I think is probably inherited from something like HU where there were baseline rules for speaking it (plus automobile and stuff)

Mack wrote:
So we've got a choice: 1) Temporal Warriors don't know how to speak by default, or 2) Temporal Warriors can speak just like a normal person.

I really like the option that there might be some mute warriors out there just commanded to do combat via hand signals by their Raider masters.

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or there are somehow Temp. Warriors out there trained over the course of years without any conventional understanding of language

Maybe they're just instructed via gesture or telepathy?

Mack wrote:
Here's an example of my reasoning, also from Rifts England: take a look a the Chiang-Ku Tattoo Master, which represent about 50% of all Chiang-Ku.
They don't get any language skills to start, and don't gain any skills as they level up.
If taken strictly as written, a one thousand year old dragon wouldn't be able to naturally speak a word.
Flip forward to the NPC Prrcyvel, he'd only be able to speak when using a magic tattoo, which is a pretty severe limitation.
(Note - trying to spell "Prrcyvel" makes my head hurt.)


In regards to this, perhaps RMB98's rules might be assumed to also apply to Chaing-Ku in addition to what is listed for the Tattoo Master or whatever other OCC?

In which case they would automatically get the 3 skills at 98% (dragonese literacy, literacy of choice and Basic Math) which oddly doesn't include LANGUAGE per se... but the "six skills" they can choose (probably under Secondary Skill restrictions since there's no bonus, though it doesn't say this) can be from Technical so they can acquire Language to supplement their Literacy this way.

Another option might be for a Chaing-Ku (as of RUE) to adopt a pet Rogue Scholar and in exchange for free tattoos they get taught some extra secondary skills for their language?

Percy needing to use his Eye of Knowledge constantly might explain why he's so crippled from helping the Merlin despite his massive PPE base... I like it.

otoh pg 108's RCC skills might not be the entirety of all skills he knows. I think there have been a lot of situations where NPCs don't have all possible skills they ought to have listed. Sometimes when they omit that they'll phrase it "skills of note" but even without the "of note" we should still posit that sometimes NPCs will have skills (or spells, or equipment) which are not listed in their summaries.


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 Post subject: Re: Temporal Warriors
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drewkitty ~..~ wrote:
You could just mod the class into a MOS to add onto a char.

Mack wrote:
It's not expressly written, but speaking your native language is automatic. There's a few classes that list it, but most don't.

An no....a language skill is not automatic...In Rifts. It Has to be expressly written as being automatic to be automatic.

Please state your 'House Rules' as 'Your' 'house rules'. Or to say you something like: they should be automatic even if not expressly written.

The Rifts game is not one of the games that do have native language skills as automatic. The HU, N&S or BTS (& RT2) are where the native language skills are automatic along with driving and basic math.



No, you do get your native language to start.

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 Post subject: Re: Temporal Warriors
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No, you do get your native language to start.

You need to give a citation for that claim. Not just an unsupported statement.

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 Post subject: Re: Temporal Warriors
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Only if raised by non-verbal speakers should a character NOT have a starting native language.

The story of 'raised by wolves' comes to mind. If you never interacted with anyone there's no way you could learn a proper language past grunts, whines, and bellows.

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Even today there are people who don't have words. And when those same people, after learning a language, are asked what is was like not having words, they can't explain it.
Good old NPR shows can teach you things while you are doing other things.

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 Post subject: Re: Temporal Warriors
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drewkitty ~..~ wrote:
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No, you do get your native language to start.

You need to give a citation for that claim. Not just an unsupported statement.



Every book that came out after the original Rifts book pretty much has your character knowing their native language; I guess at some point the game designers realized that logic doesn't apply to some players, so they spelled it out...

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 Post subject: Re: Temporal Warriors
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drewkitty ~..~ wrote:
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No, you do get your native language to start.

You need to give a citation for that claim. Not just an unsupported statement.

I would put it under common sense unless the character/class backstory requires they not have a starting native language.


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Remember: Palladium books are not closely written. These are not WotC books where adjectives are crucially important and consistently applied (i.e. a natural armor bonus, an enhancement bonus, or an enhancement to a natural armor bonus all being distinct things), but books where there's going to be a lot of "You know what I mean."

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Remember: Palladium books are not closely written. These are not WotC books where adjectives are crucially important and consistently applied (i.e. a natural armor bonus, an enhancement bonus, or an enhancement to a natural armor bonus all being distinct things), but books where there's going to be a lot of "You know what I mean."

Agreed. I've always thought of Kevin S. as a storyteller, but not someone I'd want to write the instruction manual for setting the clock on a VCR.

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Mark Hall wrote:
Remember: Palladium books are not closely written. These are not WotC books where adjectives are crucially important and consistently applied (i.e. a natural armor bonus, an enhancement bonus, or an enhancement to a natural armor bonus all being distinct things), but books where there's going to be a lot of "You know what I mean."


I think this is why I enjoyed playing Rifts much more than D&D.

Palladium Rules are more Guidelines for GMs to follow with wide expanses or grey areas to allow for individual innovation and creativity.

While I haven't played in decades, D&D was about balance; for every positive you had to have a negative. If you wanted to actually create an accurate character from any of the books, you would have to break nearly all the rules to achieve the stats and bonuses.

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drewkitty ~..~ wrote:
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No, you do get your native language to start.

You need to give a citation for that claim. Not just an unsupported statement.

I would put it under common sense unless the character/class backstory requires they not have a starting native language.

I too would say it is a common sense House Rule. That I would have no problem with you presenting this idea as. Because that what this idea we are talking about IS.

But to be correct in saying it is a Canon Rule takes text in the canon text specifically saying it. If you say something is canon w/o specific text supporting it, you are misrepresenting what the canon rules are.

Just because everyone is doing it, even thou it is not in the canon text, does not make it canon. What Is In the canon text is canon.

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Every book that came out after the original Rifts book pretty much has your character knowing their native language;
I guess at some point the game designers realized that logic doesn't apply to some players, so they spelled it out...


except that in many cases when a native language does get spelled out in an OCC it's of varying %s (not always 98) so the specificity of later OCCs really doesn't mean anything retroactively

good example being the 92/94 added to "Ultimate" upgraded version of Grunt/SAMAS on RUE233 vs the 98 for the military specialist on 235

I always assumed in the 1990 version that the designer figured where an OCC didn't provide a language of choice that you would take it as a secondary.

Really helped give a post-apoc feel knowing that some people might not speak a language or might be very unskilled in even their first.

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No, you do get your native language to start.

You need to give a citation for that claim. Not just an unsupported statement.


I don't think the phrase "native language" was even used in Rifts, the closest would just be 31's "other than their own native tongue" which is a BTS/HU pastejob from games which did give it out for free at an undefined skill %

so there's basically the unwritten implication/assumption that you would get at least one of l "free skills" from HU/BTS from the unamended cut/paste job and it is probably that a lot of OCCs such as the Coalition Grunt probably were written with the assumption that it was either free or a mandatory secondary.

Mandatory secondaries don't really make sense though since you could just list them in the OCC skills w/o a bonus.... but Rifts was never consistent about that either since we see sometimes see "choose X" in OCC lists and "from X category" in related...

66's 5 WPs for Hunters in OCC skills vs

BTS40's "additional" made sense because pg 28 had the "Automatic Skills" as the 1st of the "Skill Programs" which says "known by all characters" just like it did in Revised HU pg 27

My classic interpretation is "you get the Automatic Skills plus the number of programs your education level specifies" but taking a fresh look, another way you might look at it is "one of the programs you select must be Automatic Skills" which would really cut back on the skills people could've learned...

I think what disproves such an interpretation is the "Military Specialist" education level because it specifies they get "one other skill program" and say you can choose a 2nd espionage or 2nd weapons... but neither would be an option if you were obligated to have that choice be "Automatic Skills" ergo it's "pre-selected".

Of course since it's pre-selected it begs the question of if this stuff is bonusless or if you should be applying the +??% from your educational level to that too.

...actually another take on the Military Specialist dilemma is that you're obligated to duplicate the program one way or another, meaning they're not free so you need to choose them as secondary skills if they're not supplied by one of your skill programs? I LIKE THIS ONE

Of course skill programs (Automatic or otherwise) were abandoned in Rifts' OCC system and since it includes Read/Write Native Language it obviously doesn't fit into Rifts unamended since Literacy is explicitly scarce. Plus we see "basic math only" in some three secondary skill lists too (48 borg 71 juicer 106 stalker ) so that isn't automatic either.

Another big change from HUrevised>HU2 was they tweaked Automatic Skills by adding Pilot: Automobile which was absent originally (just speak/literate/math) which as we can see in Rifts is not automatic since Vagabonds specially list it.

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Aside from the text in the technical language section, the "additional language(s)" statements in some adventurers/mages in RMB probably also give that impression to some degree.

72 (fixer) 1 additional, is literate
75 (cyberdoc) 1 additional, is literate
80 (wild scout) has literacy and three additional (also have a portable language translator!) so it would probably imply they have at least secondary-proficiency in whichever language you choose to be literate in?
84 (line walker) has "two additional" but no literacy
86 (mystic) 1d6 additional (rare you see dice like that, I recall in certain OCCs you roll like that) also no lit
89 (shifter) has 2 additional also no lit
90 (TW) has 2 additional and does have lit

RCCs are also worth noting...
104 burster "American and one other" (no specifying which if either is native) I guess being firey predisposes you to bilinguality?
106 wild stalker "can speak American and two other languages at 70%" crazy TRIlingual baldies the lot of them, must be cavorting with D-Bees
107 coalition (or civilized merc) stalker "speaks American and one other language at 96%." so pretty much the same contrast as borgs: limited trilinguality or skilled bilinguality
110 psi-hounds strangely know American/Dragonese at 90% (they don't really explain why...)
112 melters "speak American and two other languages at 90%" (again doesn't specify native... and this is probably for melters on other continents... one gets the impression RMB basic setting is North America)

63 cyberknights gets american/dragonese and "two additional" which is probably the only clear use of 'additional' in the entire book!

worth contrasting is the warriors and adventurer...

48 (left) typical slave-borg (ex-peasant) "American (96%) and two other languages at 75% proficiency." no 'additional' and American's probably implied to be native here...
48 (right) the Coalition (or "Military Mercenary" same skills) doesn't seem to be assigned languages until you read the continuation at the start of 49 which is "speaks American and one other language at 96%." So it's possible the other language might be native but regardless they're equal, but know one fewer.

65's GB pilot "select two" (no 'additional')
66 headhunter "select three" lacks "additional"
70 juicer says "three of choice" not "three additional"
88 Vagabond conveniently write between the scout and the walker mentioned above ("American and one language of choice") so is American assumed to be native? (if so and it's implied for OCCs, why list it?) or in addition to it? Does that mean you just can't be speak American natively as a vagabond?



- - -

also as before worthy mentions to compare is pg 98 about Hatchling Dragons
the lower-right only mentions THREE skills as 98% (two literacies and basic math) so it might be implied you need to choose language as one of the "six skills" (even if one might assume they'd all know how to speak dragonese instinctively?)
however the upper-left has different wording
    the behemoth will be able to speak, read and write dragonese (elven), and understand basic math, both at 98% proficiency.

The term "both" is strange since it's actually talking about three skills (speak Dragonese, read/write Dragonese, math) but both refers to two...

Given there's no mention of an instinctive literacy in a language besides Dragonese, we can probably assume that was acquired later (like the 6 skills you select)

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RUE 157's "Dragon Instincts" ended up removing "both"
    able to speak (at 98% proficiency), read and write DragoneselElven, and understand Basic Math (at the Base Skill level).
So it probably treated both as a typo (ie they probably defined two at first, added 3rd, forgot to rephrase).

Interestingly about that phrasing is whether 98% refers just to speaking or also read/write. The placement of "at the base skill level" clearly applies to basic math but it could be seen as applying to the literacy too... RUE 158 ends up writing it more clearly:
    speak and read Dragonese/Elven (98%) and know Math : Basic (starts at 45% and improves by level)

I guess the new batch of Ultimate Dragons are innumerate dummies since they don't start off with 98% math like the classic RMB quartet =/
Of course they're also a lot narrower-skilled too since the new breed doesn't get another language's literacy, and only gets to choose 3 skills (2 secondaries and a 1 niche specialty) to start.

RUE's "Language: Other" and "Literacy: Other" is also new contrast from the 90s, not to mention the shift of Languages/Literacies from Technical to Communication (which could have a massive impact for certain classes...) and RUE304 contrasts the high base of native but low per-level vs the low-base high-level of "other".

304 also has this weird "usually" statement too...
"An O.C.C. skill bonus usually applies to "other" languages and communication skills, not the Native Tongue"
usually isn't always... so we're left wondering 'when' and also "hey, does the grunt get +1% eventually ? 88+1 surpasses the grunt with five additions... so if he wants to be a 93% speaker what's to be done?


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drewkitty ~..~ wrote:
ShadowLogan wrote:
drewkitty ~..~ wrote:
Fenris2020 wrote:


No, you do get your native language to start.

You need to give a citation for that claim. Not just an unsupported statement.

I would put it under common sense unless the character/class backstory requires they not have a starting native language.

I too would say it is a common sense House Rule. That I would have no problem with you presenting this idea as. Because that what this idea we are talking about IS.

But to be correct in saying it is a Canon Rule takes text in the canon text specifically saying it. If you say something is canon w/o specific text supporting it, you are misrepresenting what the canon rules are.

Just because everyone is doing it, even thou it is not in the canon text, does not make it canon. What Is In the canon text is canon.

I am not sure this would be a house rule though. While I agree it isn't spelled out in the rules, it would be implied I think given that some Classes (in RMB-era that WB3 was written in, don't know if the OP has a shadow update to RUE or not) have skills but lack the pre-requisites implying they have those skills. Some skills you need instruction from another in, which means communication occurs which means language is involved which means the character has that skill. You could penalize the player and have them spend Related-Other/Secondary on them or grant the player said skills for free, the rules are not clear on which approach is the correct one (in RMB-era).


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I've had people argue with me about something about a Class where the class descriptive text says one thing, in a sort of roundabout way. And they insist that ...No, it doesn't say that.
Spoiler is just explaining...no arguments here please.
Spoiler:
1) That in the descriptive text in the titan juicer says that their strength comes from mundane science rather than any mystic manipulation. The conclusion being they don't have true SNPS. This concussion is supported by text in the VK@ book where it says that produces of science do not hurt vampires. (about this point, the others just did a "I'm ignoring that inconvenient text.)
While everyone else tried to argue that TJs have true SNPS because it does not say it's not true SNPS in the class stats. Giving the excuse that 'flavor text doesn't count'
2) Then there is the point of Elemental Opposition. In Rifts, as of RUE, Yes there is. I'm not saying how GMs use it in their games, just that their is in Rifts.


Now I am pointing out what they are saying Isn't said in the canon text AT ALL. And saying, what they are saying is implied in the text. Even though there is Zero text to imply it. :rolleyes:
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While using the Pre-req. skills rules to this might be a good explanation for having a house rule to extend a nat. lang. to those classes w/o one. But even that stretching would be a house rule.

This runs into the point that: most everyone here will argue their point even after they have been shown that they are wrong. To me this is just Machismo Stupidness...that says "I am never wrong. To be wrong is loose my manhood."

I for one am perfectly willing to retract or modify my stance when shown to be incorrect.

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Has there been any word if they are going to update Rifts England?


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I wonder which of the book's authors wrote up the class' skill description.

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Has there been any word if they are going to update Rifts England?

I doubt it. WB 3 has always been one of the less popular books so I doubt they would ever do a complete revision like they did with WB 1 Vampire Kingdom. Now, I could see them eventually doing a minor revision and clean up they they did with the Federation of Magic book but I think you are more likely to see Temporal Magic and its associate OCCs/RCC rewritten and placed in a new book.

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I wonder which of the book's authors wrote up the class' skill description.

Given the time of publication and the credits in the book KS or Alex M.

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drewkitty ~..~ wrote:
I've had people argue with me about something about a Class where the class descriptive text says one thing, in a sort of roundabout way. And they insist that ...No, it doesn't say that.
Spoiler is just explaining...no arguments here please.
Spoiler:
1) That in the descriptive text in the titan juicer says that their strength comes from mundane science rather than any mystic manipulation. The conclusion being they don't have true SNPS. This concussion is supported by text in the VK@ book where it says that produces of science do not hurt vampires. (about this point, the others just did a "I'm ignoring that inconvenient text.)


Now I am pointing out what they are saying Isn't said in the canon text AT ALL.

aren't squirtguns a product oscience?


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Axelmania wrote:
aren't squirtguns a product oscience?

Well Super Soakers was made by a Rocket Scientist. So if your king is science then that answer to your question is yes.

Note: the 'o-' prefix in japanese is the Royalty prefix.

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 Post subject: Re: Temporal Warriors
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This OCC gives you no language skills, does that mean you have to use related or secondary skills to speak, or do you get one language to start?
Also, is there an update for this OCC anywhere?

Given this is an RMB-era book, the RMB-era description of the Language skill has some interesting wording (RMB pg31-2) that implies that Native Language was automatic at the time: "Characters with a language skill can understand and speak in a language other than their own native tongue." RMB, unlike RUE does not have Langauge: Other and Language: Native, so when it was published WB3 would be following the RMB rules that have the "native tongue" as a non-skill.


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ShadowLogan wrote:
Given this is an RMB-era book, the RMB-era description of the Language skill has some interesting wording (RMB pg31-2) that implies that Native Language was automatic at the time: "Characters with a language skill can understand and speak in a language other than their own native tongue."

Even so, it takes making a House Rule to take that implied/presuppose information into an actionable rule.

Note that I'm not arguing that a house rule like this is bad, only that it is what it is, A House Rule.
And should be presented as such.

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