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I spoke to Alex M and he said there wouldn't be a problem with me posting this info here. I have to say outside of a few questionable changes I think this really does help make the Eugenics class (which is still named wrong :p) a lot more playable.

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Eugenics Errata for Powers Unlimited 2

Budget:
01-10%: 3 million
11-20%: 4 million
21-35%: 5 million
36-50%: 6 million
51-65%: 7 million
66-80%: 8 million
81-90%: 9 million
91-00%: 10 million

Modified Internal Organs (page 19-21):
Brain: Combat/Motorhead: 1.5 million dollars
Brain: Mental Acuity: 1.3 million dollars
Brain: Physical Perceptions Acuity: 1.2 million dollars
Brain: Physical Perceptions Acuity: 1.2 million dollars
Brain: Psionics (Healing): 1D4+2 Healing powers of choice & 1.6 million dollars
Brain: Psionics (Illusionary): I.S.P. 2D4 X 10 & M.E. & 2.5 million dollars
Brian: Psionics (Physical): 1D4+2 Physical powers of choice & 2.3 million dollars
Brain: Psionics (Sensitive): 1D4+2 Sensitive powers of choice & 2.5 million dollars
Brain: Psionics (Super Combat): 3.1 million dollars
Brain: Psionics (Third Eye): 2.2 million dollars
Gland: Adrenaline Enhanced Surge: 1.2 million dollars
Gland: Butylmercaptan (Chimera): 750,000 dollars
Resin Ducts (Chimera): 1.8 million dollars

Physical Augmentation Features (page 21-25):
Adhesion (Chimera): 1.5 million dollars
Enhanced Musculature, Inhuman Strength & Powerful Legs:
    Extraordinary Strength: 500,000 dollars
    Superhuman Strength: 1 million dollars
    Supernatural Strength: 3 million dollars
    Impact Resistance: 2 million dollars
    Heavyweight: 2 million dollars
    Extraordinary Speed: 500,000 dollars
    Enhanced Leaping: 1.6 million dollars
Enhanced Agility & Dexterity: 1.5 million dollars
S.D.C. Augmentation: 100,000 dollars
Spinnerets: Extra Spinneret/Webbing Enhancement: 350,000 dollars

Additional & Special Appendages (page 25-29):
Extra Pair of Human Arms: 1.2 million dollars
Extra Pair of Insect Arms (Chimera): 2 million dollars
    Adhesion: 800,000 dollars (cheaper for insect limbs)
    Swingline: 700,000 dollars (cheaper for insect limbs)
Claws: 350,000 dollars (cheaper for insect limbs) **This seems to be majorly wrong and high***
Flight: Functional Wings (Chimera): 2.5 million dollars & 1 million dollars to increase speed by 60 mph
Legs: Extra Pairs of Insect Legs (Chimera):
    Adhesion: 300,000 **This seems to be off since for hands it’s 800,000**
Legs: Serpentine Lower Body (Chimera): 4.5 million dollars
Tentacles (Chimera): 3.2 million dollars

Enhanced Senses (page 29-31):
Enhanced Vision:
    Super X-Ray Vision: 1 million dollars
Enhanced Hearing:
    Frequency Absorption: 1 million dollars
    Heightened Sense of Hearing: 1 million dollars
    Parabolic Hearing: 800,000 dollars
    Radar: 1.5 million dollars
    Sonar: 1.4 million dollars
    Sonic Power (Major): 2.6 million dollars
    Sonic Absorption & Reflection (Major): 2.8 million dollars
    Ultra-Hearing: 700,000 dollars
Antennae (Chimera): 1.4 million dollars
Echo-Location (Chimera): 900,000 dollars
Heightened Sense of Awareness: 1.2 million dollars
Heightened Sense of Balance: 500,000 dollars
Heightened Sense of Recall: 800,000 dollars
Heightened Sense of Smell: 800,000 dollars
Heightened Sense of Taste: 700,000 dollars
Heightened Sense of Time: 500,000 dollars **You got me on this one**
Heightened Sense of Touch: 850,000 dollars
Heightened Sense of Life Sense: 700,000 dollars
Motion Detection Sense (Chimera): 450,000 dollars
    Super Option: 950,000 dollars
Scent Pits Chimera: 1.7 million dollars
    Hold Breath: 450,000 dollars
    Life Sense: 700,000 dollars
Sonar (Chimera): 1.3 million dollars **Probably should be 1.4 million as under Enhanced Hearing**

Genetic Weapons (page 31-34):
Bio-Energy Expulsion (Alien Chimera): 1.6 million dollars
    Re-Channel & Expel Energy or Super Energy Expulsion: 2.9 million dollars
Chemical Secretion (Chimera): 2.5 million dollars
Toxic Skin (Chimera): 2.5 million dollars

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Thank you, speaking as someone who has the first prining of PU2.

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I remember telling Kevin when PU2 first printing came out that with 7
million dollars (which at the time was the bare minimum amount) I was
making just beastily guys and I thought overall he gave the class way to
much money to play around with. I'd said I switch its budget with that of
the Bionic or Robot guys. However, under 5 million is some what difficult
especially in part to the increase in pricing of some abilities. For me a
good medium was 5-12 million for a base money amount.


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It was my pleasure. As someone who loved the concept but hated what you could make, I was really happy to hear they changed the prices around in the new printing, but I figured not everyone would have both copies laying around and this way you don't need to get 2 copies.


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Thanks!
Stuff like this should be put in the Cutting Room Floor section of the website.
That way people can still find it after this thread gets buried in a week or so.


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Thanks!
Stuff like this should be put in the Cutting Room Floor section of the website.
That way people can still find it after this thread gets buried in a week or so.
not if it is stickied.

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Thank you!

I've been meaning to ask if someone had complied this info, and I'm glad to see that someone has! :)


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Oh i miss form message board for a while and find this amazing gift , thank :-D

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Quick question, 2 actually

Is this official Palladium errata or is this fan errata? Just curious.

Also, is there a second printing available?

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Prodigy wrote:
Quick question, 2 actually

Is this official Palladium errata or is this fan errata? Just curious.

Also, is there a second printing available?


The version they sell now is a 2nd printing, and nope I'm just a fan but I did it with the permission of Palladium Books.


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Hey Dan

Awesome job. I take it you thought the version in the book was a liitle too much.

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This is the official erratta. It was written by Carmen B. himself.

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Prodigy wrote:
Hey Dan

Awesome job. I take it you thought the version in the book was a liitle too much.


Oh no I didn't make the changes, I just collected and compared and listed the changes from the 2 printings. I loved the basic idea behind the class (name aside :p) but it was just waaay to sick and I figured I'd help out those who didn't have the new book.


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Daniel Stoker wrote:
but it was just waaay to sick and I figured I'd help out those who didn't have the new book.


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the category seems like:

we'll give you lots of money so you can get all sorts of powers you'd be restricted from using the normal rules... :P

I vote for: Munchgenics :lol:

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I've never really had a problem with this Category. I mean the powers it gives you are mostly just physical enhancements, senses, body weapons and a very few energy expulsion powers.
There are no APS, Matter Control/Expulsion powers or any of the really BIG SUPER powers.
Okay you can Max out on Psychic powers and create a really powerful one at 1st level, but lets face it Palladium Psionics aren't all that impressive and i've never really liked the idea of them costing ISP to use. One good fight and you're useless for the rest of the day! At least with a Eugenic psychic you won't burn out in five minutes!
And now if you will excuse me I'm going and create a few more of them. They do make great tragic Heroes, Villains and Npcs.

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Wait, why is the Eugenics class named wrong?

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TheLlamaFarmer wrote:
Wait, why is the Eugenics class named wrong?

:?


Because they like to taunt me. :p

Seriously, what the class does isn't Eugenics which would be more selective breeding to make a superhuman, instead it's a genetic engineering to make the biological equivalent of a borg.


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its a class of power to me that is scary, selective power for say my redneck army
heightend spitting
small head 100 gallon hat and
bullit proof(need it cleaning gun"bang")
putting people to sleep
lol kidding
seriously this class power would be my version of super soldier americans russian chinese all have specialities from this class.


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I can think of a few other powers that might be created by genetic engineering, though this is a pretty good class.

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AlanGunhouse wrote:
I can think of a few other powers that might be created by genetic engineering, though this is a pretty good class.


I agree.


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Sinse genetic eingeering is the changing of genes, and mutants get their powers though altered genes, shouldn't all superpowers whatsoever be avaible to eugenics?

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Nekira Sudacne wrote:
Sinse genetic eingeering is the changing of genes, and mutants get their powers though altered genes, shouldn't all superpowers whatsoever be avaible to eugenics?


I think part of it is that if you list every power as a Eugenics option, it becomes an entirely new sourcebook in and of itself. As Gryphon Chick pointed out in the New Powers thread, any power can be converted to Eugenics or Robotics options if one thinks out exactly how it would be possible. Then it is just a matter of assigning costs.

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Daniel Stoker wrote:
TheLlamaFarmer wrote:
Wait, why is the Eugenics class named wrong?

:?


Because they like to taunt me. :p

Seriously, what the class does isn't Eugenics which would be more selective breeding to make a superhuman, instead it's a genetic engineering to make the biological equivalent of a borg.


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So is it similar to Atlantean Bio-Wizardry?

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So is it similar to Atlantean Bio-Wizardry?


Basically yes.


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Hello all,
I just got this book and I had a couple questions on Eugenics.
1) Since there is no separate listing for Pelvis in the "Cloned Replacement Parts" section. are we to infer that this is covered in the cost of buying both legs since they obviously would need something to connect to?
If not, what would you say would be a good price for a pelvis?

2) How much for a complete clone of a normal, non powered human? I mean just some random dude off the street or random stiff out of the morgue to have as an NPC ally/spy/informant etc ? I mean would it be cheaper to clone a whole guy than putting one together piecemeal?

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TrumbachD wrote:
Hello all,
I just got this book and I had a couple questions on Eugenics.
1) Since there is no separate listing for Pelvis in the "Cloned Replacement Parts" section. are we to infer that this is covered in the cost of buying both legs since they obviously would need something to connect to?
If not, what would you say would be a good price for a pelvis?

2) How much for a complete clone of a normal, non powered human? I mean just some random dude off the street or random stiff out of the morgue to have as an NPC ally/spy/informant etc ? I mean would it be cheaper to clone a whole guy than putting one together piecemeal?

Male or female pelvis?...LOL

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Gryphon Chick wrote:
TrumbachD wrote:
Hello all,
I just got this book and I had a couple questions on Eugenics.
1) Since there is no separate listing for Pelvis in the "Cloned Replacement Parts" section. are we to infer that this is covered in the cost of buying both legs since they obviously would need something to connect to?
If not, what would you say would be a good price for a pelvis?

2) How much for a complete clone of a normal, non powered human? I mean just some random dude off the street or random stiff out of the morgue to have as an NPC ally/spy/informant etc ? I mean would it be cheaper to clone a whole guy than putting one together piecemeal?

Male or female pelvis?...LOL

Valid point, :lol:
I was just wondering why the pelvis was not included. Especially since it's a rather important area!

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TrumbachD wrote:
Gryphon Chick wrote:
TrumbachD wrote:
Hello all,
I just got this book and I had a couple questions on Eugenics.
1) Since there is no separate listing for Pelvis in the "Cloned Replacement Parts" section. are we to infer that this is covered in the cost of buying both legs since they obviously would need something to connect to?
If not, what would you say would be a good price for a pelvis?

2) How much for a complete clone of a normal, non powered human? I mean just some random dude off the street or random stiff out of the morgue to have as an NPC ally/spy/informant etc ? I mean would it be cheaper to clone a whole guy than putting one together piecemeal?

Male or female pelvis?...LOL

Valid point, :lol:
I was just wondering why the pelvis was not included. Especially since it's a rather important area!

And what sort of Eugenic modifications might be available :twisted:

seriously though, "Waist Down" impairment is mentioned in more that one place in PU2 (Like in the Empowered Category) so I was wondering if, in such cases the pelvis needed to be bought separately or is it assumed in the cost of the 2 legs?

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TrumbachD wrote:
TrumbachD wrote:
Gryphon Chick wrote:
TrumbachD wrote:
Hello all,
I just got this book and I had a couple questions on Eugenics.
1) Since there is no separate listing for Pelvis in the "Cloned Replacement Parts" section. are we to infer that this is covered in the cost of buying both legs since they obviously would need something to connect to?
If not, what would you say would be a good price for a pelvis?

2) How much for a complete clone of a normal, non powered human? I mean just some random dude off the street or random stiff out of the morgue to have as an NPC ally/spy/informant etc ? I mean would it be cheaper to clone a whole guy than putting one together piecemeal?

Male or female pelvis?...LOL

Valid point, :lol:
I was just wondering why the pelvis was not included. Especially since it's a rather important area!

And what sort of Eugenic modifications might be available :twisted:

seriously though, "Waist Down" impairment is mentioned in more that one place in PU2 (Like in the Empowered Category) so I was wondering if, in such cases the pelvis needed to be bought separately or is it assumed in the cost of the 2 legs?

There appears to be no canon answer to that.

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Stone Gargoyle wrote:
TrumbachD wrote:
TrumbachD wrote:
Gryphon Chick wrote:
TrumbachD wrote:
Hello all,
I just got this book and I had a couple questions on Eugenics.
1) Since there is no separate listing for Pelvis in the "Cloned Replacement Parts" section. are we to infer that this is covered in the cost of buying both legs since they obviously would need something to connect to?
If not, what would you say would be a good price for a pelvis?

2) How much for a complete clone of a normal, non powered human? I mean just some random dude off the street or random stiff out of the morgue to have as an NPC ally/spy/informant etc ? I mean would it be cheaper to clone a whole guy than putting one together piecemeal?

Male or female pelvis?...LOL

Valid point, :lol:
I was just wondering why the pelvis was not included. Especially since it's a rather important area!

And what sort of Eugenic modifications might be available :twisted:

seriously though, "Waist Down" impairment is mentioned in more that one place in PU2 (Like in the Empowered Category) so I was wondering if, in such cases the pelvis needed to be bought separately or is it assumed in the cost of the 2 legs?

There appears to be no canon answer to that.

So it seems.
I was just curious how others here had figured the cost of characters who needed "waist down" Modification.
IIRC, the Bionic categories' Partial Borg option includes 2 legs and 2 arms, but nothing about a waist down conversion.
It just seemed like a bit of an odd oversight with the mention of such impairment elsewhere in the book.

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It is probably assumed to be part of either the legs or the torso. But you are right, it should be broken down more.

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I like the larger budgets in my book.

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TechnoGothic wrote:
I like the larger budgets in my book.


There are some problems/issues with the new budget and some of the prices, powers like the Psionic ones can quickly drain you dry, but what's really bad is that say Bio-Regeneration Super which while expensive before at 7 million dollars you could still take it with all but the lowest number and still have some money left, but now at best you're only going to have 3 million left after buying that, taking that out of the range of a majority of the potential characters.


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I like the larger budgets in my book.


There are some problems/issues with the new budget and some of the prices, powers like the Psionic ones can quickly drain you dry, but what's really bad is that say Bio-Regeneration Super which while expensive before at 7 million dollars you could still take it with all but the lowest number and still have some money left, but now at best you're only going to have 3 million left after buying that, taking that out of the range of a majority of the potential characters.


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The 7 million dollar power heals 2D6/ melee, right? Isn't there a significantly sheaper one that does 1D6+3? plus you can get healing factor pretty cheap IIRC :)


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thexpert wrote:
The 7 million dollar power heals 2D6/ melee, right? Isn't there a significantly sheaper one that does 1D6+3? plus you can get healing factor pretty cheap IIRC :)



Well yes, but the 1D6+3 one is only good outside of combat which limits it's use. And yes Healing Factor is only 1.2 mil, but it seems like a huge jump for Regeneration.


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Ok, so I've got a question on Eugenics, and I figured since this is the official post for Errata and questions regarding Eugenics, I would post it here. (And I agree with Daniel Stoker - Eugenics isn't the right name for this category. It should be something like "Genetic Engineering".)

On page 22, you can purchase Attribute Enhancement. But in the description of Attribute Enhancement it states "Each attribute bonus must be purchased separately and the 'tweaking' process can only be done once. However, other genetic augmentation can also provide attribute bonuses". After this, each attribute is listed, along with the applicable stat increase and the purchase cost. But this statement is confusing me a little.

1. Does this statement mean that I can only purchase an attribute enhancement 1 time per attribute? For example, I can only purchase a +1 to PE one time, and then a +1 to IQ one time?
2. Does this mean that I can only purchase 1 attribute enhancement? For example, I can only purchase a +1 to PE, and no other attributes can be purchased?
3. Can I purchase an attribute enhancement multiple times, so long as it is the only attribute being modified? If so, what is the upper limit for an attribute? For example, could I purchase a +10 increase to PE (at the small price of 2.5 million) so long as it doesn't go over some upper limit that isn't defined?


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The 'tweaking process can only be done once' just means that you can't get more money and come back in 5 years and get yourself enhanced again to increase your attributes. So you can pretty much spend as much cash as you want on tweaking, though as a GM I'd limit it to a 'reasonable' total per enhancement just to keep things form getting out of hand.


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The 'tweaking process can only be done once' just means that you can't get more money and come back in 5 years and get yourself enhanced again to increase your attributes. So you can pretty much spend as much cash as you want on tweaking, though as a GM I'd limit it to a 'reasonable' total per enhancement just to keep things form getting out of hand.


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That's what I thought, and that's the direction I took. I just wanted to make sure I did it right because the wording leaves a lot open for interpretation.


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Nekira Sudacne wrote:
Sinse genetic eingeering is the changing of genes, and mutants get their powers though altered genes, shouldn't all superpowers whatsoever be avaible to eugenics?

Eugenics characters only work when someone has mapped the genetic changes required to create the effect...most superheroes are not going to agree to be genetically mapped.

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AlanGunhouse wrote:
Nekira Sudacne wrote:
Sinse genetic eingeering is the changing of genes, and mutants get their powers though altered genes, shouldn't all superpowers whatsoever be avaible to eugenics?

Eugenics characters only work when someone has mapped the genetic changes required to create the effect...most superheroes are not going to agree to be genetically mapped.


Actually, it's that the genenic's of metamutations, and the epigenic's surrounding them, are very hard to map at all, the preciseness needed to do controlled genetic modification is simply not something most nonSplugorths{sp?} can do.Though I suppose some Gene-splicers could help.....

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I have a question

most of the supers provided by Eugenics say "equivalent", does that mean they all come without bonuses, or that it is the same as the super power?


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Alibard wrote:
I have a question

most of the supers provided by Eugenics say "equivalent", does that mean they all come without bonuses, or that it is the same as the super power?

I woudl say it's identical except where/how stated otherwise.

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Same with the strengths? I know there is a rule that states when when strengths are listed as "equivalent" that they only get the carrying/lifting bonus.
Kinda nice to have carrying capacity and all, but 3 mill for better carrying?

Also with every super power under that list is "equivalent", like Ex. PP which really can't be reduced to a base effect, I'm just trying to figure out how to come to an agreement with the GM about what the H.C.C. gets and how they work :D


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In the case of Strength, you would not get the Strength bonus for the power, you would get whatever strength bonus you paid for, but you would get the following:

Extraordinary Strength or higher lets you damage things with a natural AR of 14 or higher, normal PS can not

Superhuman Strength makes you resistant to fatigue, taking twice as long to tire the character.

Supernatural Strength lets you damage things normally invulnerable, does extra damage on the table found under the power, and makes you fatigue at 1/10 the rate

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Actually all the eugenics powers are the "same as" super powers, I was reading the Armageddon Unlimited book and they have a eugenics NPC in there, he has the Supernatural Strength augmentation and no PS boosts and has a 60+ PS.

Some spiky Neo-Nazi villian, but atleast it gave me a platform to look at for the build.

Thank you for the help however, and I will be using this modified budget and costs to make the game more pleasant for the other PC's.


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Unfortunately NPC's in Palladium tend to do what the author wants over what the rules might actually say.


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Daniel Stoker wrote:
Unfortunately NPC's in Palladium tend to do what the author wants over what the rules might actually say.


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This is true, which is why I don't tend to use the NPCs provided by the books. I did buy Gramercy Island and Century Station as general resources, though, even though I was originally against it.

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Daniel Stoker wrote:
Unfortunately NPC's in Palladium tend to do what the author wants over what the rules might actually say.


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Depends on who the author is. Any NPCs I create are all book legal. But I will agree that some (if not most) of the NPCs I've seen in the books could not have possibly been created using the rules.


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Well that's why I said tend. :p


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Unread postPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 4:17 am
  

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maybe it was covered in another printin, but on the final page of the eugenics class it says eugenic characters get 1D x10 +10 SDC, but on the second page it says they get just 1D6 x10??


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