Natural Combat Ability with Supernatural Strength

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Natural Combat Ability with Supernatural Strength

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How do you calculate damage from Natural Combat Ability if you have Supernatural Strength? It clearly isn't the same type of damage as the Supernatural Strength chart claims.
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Use the SN PS damage tables. the other bonuses remain the same.
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Part of the reason I wish stuff like NCA would be worded like a bonus or % increase instead of replacement.
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Axelmania wrote:Part of the reason I wish stuff like NCA would be worded like a bonus or % increase instead of replacement.

i agree with you there
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Re: Natural Combat Ability with Supernatural Strength

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Axelmania wrote:Part of the reason I wish stuff like NCA would be worded like a bonus or % increase instead of replacement.


Why? Natural Combat Ability is about being able to fight without formal training not dealing greater damage that an ordinary person could. All the damages provided are typical of someone trained in combat could do. Only the Power Punch is a non-standard (for Heroes Unlimited) maneuver, but even here it is still within the damage range for anyone trained in combat with a normal level of strength.

Natural Combat Ability doesn't make a person do more damage than someone who has had some formal combat training... it only gives them the ability to fight effectively without any actual Hand to Hand Combat Skill.

I think you are reading more into the power than is actually there.
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Re: Natural Combat Ability with Supernatural Strength

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It's a problem bigger than NCA. Higher damage reflecting extra training even from normal HTH techniques should have better means of working with the higher base damage punches that supernatural PS provides.
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Axelmania wrote:It's a problem bigger than NCA. Higher damage reflecting extra training even from normal HTH techniques should have better means of working with the higher base damage punches that supernatural PS provides.


What training? We are talking about NCA.
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Re: Natural Combat Ability with Supernatural Strength

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I believe that he is talking about the unique punches and kicks that do more damage than the normal punch that a person could do without training. Such as how a normal punch does 1d4 damage, but someone trained in HtH: Martial Arts can do a Karate Strike that does 2d4 damage because of their training. If a person with SN Strength had a normal punch that now does 4d6 damage.... how does that affect the Karate Strike that would normally double a normal punch's damage? Does he now do 8d6 damage with a Karate Strike or does it just add one die (of the appropriate type, in this case a 1d6) for a SN Karate Strike of 5d6?

Since SN PS already provides a power punch that would do double damage (and cost 2 attacks) doubling the damage of a normal SN punch without increasing the attacks it costs for a Karate Strike seems like a bad idea (who would ever use a power punch when they can do the same damage with a Karate Strike without having to give up an extra attack to do so?). I am of the opinion that the more advanced punches and kicks that some combatants learn as part of their training only add dice to the normal damage. Thus if a normal round house kick does 2d6 damage (as opposed to the 1d6 normally) then a SN Round House would only add an extra die of damage to the character's normal SN kick.

This isn't about strength making the attack more powerful, but rather more effectively using the strength one has. There is only so much damage even a person with SN strength can do that training could improve... but not by as much as some might think.
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Re: Natural Combat Ability with Supernatural Strength

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When fighting a char with training in those the NCA will have access to those moves/attacks.

I might point out that the SNPS power just lists damages to three different types of punches (R/F/P). I do not see any text that says that the power gives them the ability to use ether a Res.P. or a Power P. (1st HU2 printing) If latter printing says something different….
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