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No. A caber is a large piece of wood. You toss it, but there is no way to do so accurately enough for you to get weapon bonuses. If you did train with it as a weapon, you would do so using an existing skill such as thrown weapons or WP staff. Damage would vary according to the size of the caber and would not be written in as part of the skill. There is no reason or validation for writing it up as its own skill.

If anything, I think it would/should be WP Blunt or if using Ninjas and Super Spies, W.P. Improvised Weapons.
Also, nothing, absolutely nothing official, as far as skills is concerned provides a "+2D6" to PS. That's just crazy talk.

In my imagination, the only way to use a caber as a weapon is IF you are strong enough AND large enough to use what is basically a phone pole as a weapon. Then you're back to what Stone Gargoyle says. Using WP staff or WP Spear.

But its own WP. No.

You'd then have to tack on P.S. bonuses for Heavy Weapons.
I SHOULD then be getting a workout from doing mandatory lifts with a fully loaded bazooka, instead of being penalized for weak strength by NOT being able to take W.P. Heavy Weapons.
Athletics and Weight Lifting FIRST, THEN you can start tossing the big stuff around.

moving on, wp toys
you can use toys OTHER than yo-yos (the last because I think that's been done already) as weapons
+1 to attack every other level, +3 to damage every level you don't get a attack bonus
bonus +2d4-1 ma (children only) +2d4 to physical dexterity (for the attacks naturally)
what do you think?

Isn't there an improvised weapons wp?
I would think it would suit skills like this and wp yo-yo better.

I acturally think that yo-yo wp was acturally done on this thread of all places. (just not sure witch page though)

a WP, an extra attack, a damage bonus, and attribute bonuses,, this doesn't sound like a WP at all. With the things that are included in it, it almost sounds like a VERY under developed HtH form.

You asked what we all think of your skill. So I'm going to tell you what I think of it. I think it is no good.

(I'll try to not break any rules, but if I do I understand the recourse that NMI must take). I think you should stop posting new ideas for awhile, Come up with an idea (but don't post it), take the time to think it all the way through, work out the flaws, iron out the details, buff it up until it shines. THEN post it, but not until then.

Having ideas is good, wanting to contribute is good, just throwing out whatever random idea comes into your mind without reviewing and refining it first is bad. You have (in my opinion) the equivalent of post diarrhea. What comes out is no good and it just keeps coming uncontrollably. Take some time, get better, and then give us a good post.

I would like to second what is being said here, in a much nicer way than I could have put it.

There ISN'T a W.P. Yo-yo in the Black Vault, but I haven't checked to see if there is somebody's version on these threads. I know there are two versions of W.P. Chainsaw posted to this thread, but neither made it to filing in the Vault.
Pity, really, because in a yo-yo you have both a potential blunt striking weapon, and an entangling/strangling weapon. And there is precedent, I believe; the anime series Gatchaman(better known in the west as Battle of the Planets) one of the Science Ninja sports a high tech yoyo weapon that acts like gargoyle plasma blast knuckles(from RiftsTriax) and in the live action 007 movie Octopussy, one of the villains messily disposes of one of Bond's sidekicks using a manhole cover-sized buzzsaw yo-yo(later tries to use it on Bond and learns what a bastard spin-back is).

And I agree with the diagnosis that tossing up incomplete ideas isn't a good idea. Haste makes waste, and we're not a 'publish or perish' community here. Yes, there's that big endorphin rush when you first get an idea, and you want to share it and see what people think as soon as possible, but you really show your creativity by reigning in your impulsiveness, looking at your idea again, testing it, refining it, letting it see if it stands waiting(would you still be as enthusiastic about it in a week?), then reworking it. The satisfaction of presenting a complete product that may have several well-thought-out ideas is FAR better than the empty and fleeting endorphin high from the first idea.

And I cannot emphasize enough the importance of proper presentation; clean formating and proper spelling. capitalization, and punctuation do more than just make your thoughts clear and easy to read, they show that you care enough about your readers not to torture them with confusion, and forcing them to do all the work of untangling your thoughts, or trying to guess what you mean. Your work should be enjoyable for readers, not an obstacle course or desperate scavenger hunt for meaning. There are plenty of examples of acceptable formating on these threads, and even basic templates for Palladium powers, weapons, races, spells, and the like, and they're all free for the using.


As for the skill-posting itself; I don't see why there's a separate big honking dexterity bonus(more than some RCCs have for those respective stats) for using toys, and the M.A. bonus for kids is just ludicrous; I don't find a kid throwing toys at me to be endearing, I consider them annoying brats! If anything, their MA to me after clouting me in the head with a rocking horse goes DOWN, and I feel compelled to introduce them to W.P. Belt( aka Whip) and the Bill Cosby 'tan your underside' attack*.



(*disclaimer: Taalisman does NOT condone child abuse, or corporal punishment for minors. On adults, however....)

I was thinking of the ma to be used ON kids rather than BY kids!
also there was a episode of "get smart" that had kaos forces defeated BY toys fyi!

In general, the classification "toys" is too general. Most toys fall under some type of WP already, anyhow.

So you get a greater MA for using a WEAPONS PROFFICIENCY on CHILDREN?
Or even getting an MA usable on kids for taking a W.P....there's a bad sqwuek factor there...
You might want to re-think that one, GREATLY.

no, the ma is if you use the wp FOR children NOT on them (the ma becomes a penalty if you use it ON children)
that make any sense?

None whatsoever.

ok I'll just move on then.

Consider the source 13eowulf, and then click Here

invention, this skill is primarally to be combined with other skills to make inventions!
bonus-+1d4 to i.q.
what do you think?

You have entire hardware categories and a super-invention category devoted to this. Summing it up as a skill falls short and shows no understanding of the invention process.

I think you didn't listen to a single bit of the good and helpful and knowledgeable advice we offered you. Instead of having an idea and sitting on it, letting it grow and develop into some seriously impressive $#!+ ; you went off and did what you always do (despite our advice, encouragement, warnings), You run over to the forums, squat down bare cheekd and then go and blow that stinking diarrhea turd of an idea all over the thread. Look there's a chunk of corn, and there, Abe, have you been eating peanuts man? Now I know not every post is going to be a gem. Some of them are bound to be turd. And until you can figure out how to tell a gem from a turd then you should probably sit on all your ideas until you can tell them apart. Is it nice, shiny, and well put together from the start? Might be a gem. Is it rough and lumpy, does it kind of stink a bit and no one wants to use it? Sounds like a turd. Can you try polishing the turd up any? Cause if you can polish the turd enough, get the crap off and let the gem inside come out. well then you've got someone special there.

The point I'm tryin to make with my ramblings (god bless ambien) is we want you to STOP GIVING US TURDS FOR IDEAS. If you'd put more work into them, rather than just post the first idea you pull out of your butt, you could have some really interesting skills. But seriously, no body wants an unpolished butt nugget.

If you can't make it shine, don't waste your time.


PS Should there be any, I accept responsibility for my actions. They were done for the good of the post. To build it, make it stronger, to train up the unskilled and strengthen the weak. While harsh, I did not use my words with malice.

Are you for real? I mean seriously? Or is this some bad Troll attempt?

this is for real & I meant it as a "mental" skill (like physical but for the mind)

In that case, to answer your question, what I think is you need to stop. You need to stop and read all the helpful well worded and polite posts that have been directed towards you.

I could see inventiveness or creativity as a skill which gives a 5% bonus to skills when being creative or inventive, and at best a +2 to IQ, but that is not what you wrote.

Creativity (Technical/Domestic): The character engages in training and exercises to promote creativity and develop inventive potential, and thus gets bonuses for performing skills which are geared toward the creative process. Bonuses: +2 to IQ, +5% to any artistic skills, electrical engineering and mechanical engineering, as well as any robotics skills the character might possess.

Nitpick: not sure NATURALLY is the best word to describe a skill to promote creative/inventive work; it might be better to word it as 'training and exercises to promote creativity and develop inventive potential'.

Gotcha. I kind of just wrote what came to mind, but I will edit it accordingly.

S'right. You might have been thinking of the 'Natural Genius' power category.
Now...a NG taking this skill...ouch, that's like overkill...

Folks, not everyone speaks, reads, writes or even thinks the same ways as everyone else.

I dont want to have to come back to this thread and actually start issuing warnings for people being mean or disrespectful.

Please be constructive in your criticism of others writings and ideas. Dont be insulting as some of you have been of late.

End of discussion.

thank you.

Not not giving credence to the purposed skill, but, Abe....you did not have a paragraph (or so) describing the Idea you had of what the skill does. Like what is in the skills section of the main books. So you idea was not fully expressed in what you wrote.

To Everyone...
A good filter between good and bad ideas for skills is that if you can not write up a descriptive paragraph about what it does, if is not a good idea..or it is not a fully formed idea.

That is my main criticism of Abe's work, that his ideas are never fully fleshed out. I did at least attempt to try and understand what he was trying to do and write out something based on what little he did provide.

Carry on people.

Is there a joke crafting skill already in the books? If not, maybe I could work on something. Somehow the word "Punmanship" popped into my head and won't go away. I think it is due to something Nate said in the New Powers thread.

I don't think so.

I'd consider it to be an aspect of Language and/or Literacy, rather than a separate skill. It takes some knowledge of a language, either spoken or written , to spot potential word play.

I could see literacy as being a prerequisite, but joke writing could be a skill on its own the same as writing is. You would have to make a successful skill roll to have the joke make logical sense and be funny.

Aaahhh...I still think you can pun with just a language/literacy skill; sometimes all a pun is is a commonly acknowledged misspelling, mispronouncing, or clumsy translation. And some people would tell you punning isn't terribly sophisticated, especially when a pun is forced. Scriptwriting, especially comedy, I could see as a skill, because it goes beyond messing with the language and adds the components of acting(even if by proxy) and a knowledge of various dramatic devices.
Then again, isn't there a Haiku skill? Then by precedent one would have to allow punning as a skill, but IMHO I still feel it's covered by an advanced enough language skill.

I think if you did it as comedy writing, there might be enough to merit it as its own skill. I will have to think more o it before putting anything down in writing on it anyhow.

Playwriting might cover a wider variety of genres, if it is to be performed.

It might at that.

Prereq Literacy/Language, maybe modifiers from Public Speaking and Performance?

Would the Creative Writing skill also be a prereq? (or perhaps cover the writing of jokes from earlier as well?)

a dancing specialaty(if it hasn't been done already) breakdancing!
just see street preformers for details
base chance-25+3 for every point over 16 + 5% per level.
what do you think?

1st, I think you mean "Physical Prowess".
2nd, I would not add the actual attribute BUT instead, take the Prowess stat on the IQ chart and use the appropriate bonus.. or and I like this better:

25%+5% per level of an experience. Add 2% for every 3 pts of Prowess above a 16.

That's my thought on it.

I fixed it.

I think that Street Performing is a large, rich, and greatly diverse type of entertainment of which dancing is only a very very very small part, and of that very small part breakdancing is an even smaller part.

I also think that you are using the term 'breakdancing' to describe street dance, which is erroneous, for while breakdancing is part of Street Dance, there is much more to Street Dance than Breakdancing. Further most Street Dance has nothing to do with Street Performance, as the two are actually very separate things and using one to describe the other is leading to some confusion.

Perhaps if you could expand upon what your intent here is, with greater definition or explanation?
I might politely suggest researching the subject first so that the description provided can more accurately convey the idea you have to others.

Also, in the percentage, every point of what exactly?

p.p. & I was suggesting this as specialization of dance anyway.

But you said "see street performance for details", however as I pointed out if one was to look up Street Performance one would not find much, if any, information on Street Dance, let alone Breakdancing. Further, are you refering to Street Dance overall, or are you explicitly referring to B-Boying. In which case which style of B-Boying?

Or are you referring to Street Performance, only confused as to what Street Performance actually is?

Your response leaves many of the issue I addressed unresolved, in order for this to be an actual skill those issues would need to be addressed. I suggest using full sentences in perhaps paragraph form for the skill description, as it might better convey your idea to others.