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agree with SG. Is this what happens when I leave you guys alone too long?


Well, I had to do SOMETHING! Calibrating the damage ranges for W.P. Tiddleywinks was taking too long!


Have you considered a section on choking damage, if you manage to get one into a target's throat?


With a manhole cover?!

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agree with SG. Is this what happens when I leave you guys alone too long?


Well, I had to do SOMETHING! Calibrating the damage ranges for W.P. Tiddleywinks was taking too long!
Tiddlywinks would have a range based on strength, just like any thrown weapon, though wouldn't they just hit it with their finger? The character using that would have to have a really good strength and/or speed. I can see a metal tiddlywink doing some impressive damage, especially if sharpened.

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 Post subject: Re: We Gots The Skills
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taalismn wrote:
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agree with SG. Is this what happens when I leave you guys alone too long?


Well, I had to do SOMETHING! Calibrating the damage ranges for W.P. Tiddleywinks was taking too long!


Have you considered a section on choking damage, if you manage to get one into a target's throat?


With a manhole cover?!


For when used against giants, or those with giant/growth powers.

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 Post subject: Re: We Gots The Skills
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I'll consider the trick shot then if I seriously consider the W.P..(which I initially introduced as a reference to a Gordon K. Dickson story where an alien species practices the use of spoons and tiddlywinks....turns out they use giant spoons to hurl acid at opponents, and they use manhole cover-sized metal and stone disks tiddlywink-style as projectiles. As ridiculous as it may sound, it also has to be taken in the context that the locals are fighting the Hoka, teddybear-like aliens who epitomize 'zany' themselves). :P

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 Post subject: Re: We Gots The Skills
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I'll consider the trick shot then if I seriously consider the W.P..(which I initially introduced as a reference to a Gordon K. Dickson story where an alien species practices the use of spoons and tiddlywinks....turns out they use giant spoons to hurl acid at opponents, and they use manhole cover-sized metal and stone disks tiddlywink-style as projectiles. As ridiculous as it may sound, it also has to be taken in the context that the locals are fighting the Hoka, teddybear-like aliens who epitomize 'zany' themselves). :P


I shall have to find and read that story.
Also my responses were tongue-in-cheek, however manhole cover projectiles seems like a fantastic idea to me that needs to be expanded on, in honour of the old TMNT game if nothing else.
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 Post subject: Re: We Gots The Skills
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I'll consider the trick shot then if I seriously consider the W.P..(which I initially introduced as a reference to a Gordon K. Dickson story where an alien species practices the use of spoons and tiddlywinks....turns out they use giant spoons to hurl acid at opponents, and they use manhole cover-sized metal and stone disks tiddlywink-style as projectiles. As ridiculous as it may sound, it also has to be taken in the context that the locals are fighting the Hoka, teddybear-like aliens who epitomize 'zany' themselves). :P


I shall have to find and read that story.
Also my responses were tongue-in-cheek, however manhole cover projectiles seems like a fantastic idea to me that needs to be expanded on, in honour of the old TMNT game if nothing else.
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Manhole covers most likely ideally come under the W.P. Frisbee if you've got a great enough strength. Then again, with enough size/power/strength, ANYTHING can become a projectile weapon(W.P. Thrown) .

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Multi-weapon grip, you can hold more than 1 weapon in the same hand!
Skill chance is 34 +3%/level
If you fail the roll you take appropriate damage or 1 point per weapon unless your maga-damage & using maga-damage weapons.
What do you think?

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 Post subject: Re: We Gots The Skills
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Multi-weapon grip, you can hold more than 1 weapon in the same hand!
Skill chance is 34 +3%/level
If you fail the roll you take appropriate damage or 1 point per weapon unless your maga-damage & using maga-damage weapons.
What do you think?
Not possible to fire both at once, so no, not going to allow it in my games even if someone did actually write up the skill appropriately.

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Stone Gargoyle wrote:
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Multi-weapon grip, you can hold more than 1 weapon in the same hand!
Skill chance is 34 +3%/level
If you fail the roll you take appropriate damage or 1 point per weapon unless your maga-damage & using maga-damage weapons.
What do you think?
Not possible to fire both at once, so no, not going to allow it in my games even if someone did actually write up the skill appropriately.
I agree. I've never seen anyone try this, ever.

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Stone Gargoyle wrote:
abe wrote:
Multi-weapon grip, you can hold more than 1 weapon in the same hand!
Skill chance is 34 +3%/level
If you fail the roll you take appropriate damage or 1 point per weapon unless your maga-damage & using maga-damage weapons.
What do you think?
Not possible to fire both at once, so no, not going to allow it in my games even if someone did actually write up the skill appropriately.

It just allows you to hold more than 1 weapon in your hand! Not necessarily use them sillies.

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 Post subject: Re: We Gots The Skills
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Multi-weapon grip, you can hold more than 1 weapon in the same hand!
Skill chance is 34 +3%/level
If you fail the roll you take appropriate damage or 1 point per weapon unless your maga-damage & using maga-damage weapons.
What do you think?
Not possible to fire both at once, so no, not going to allow it in my games even if someone did actually write up the skill appropriately.

It just allows you to hold more than 1 weapon in your hand! Not necessarily use them sillies.
So really just a pointless skill.

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 Post subject: Re: We Gots The Skills
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abe wrote:
Stone Gargoyle wrote:
abe wrote:
Multi-weapon grip, you can hold more than 1 weapon in the same hand!
Skill chance is 34 +3%/level
If you fail the roll you take appropriate damage or 1 point per weapon unless your maga-damage & using maga-damage weapons.
What do you think?
Not possible to fire both at once, so no, not going to allow it in my games even if someone did actually write up the skill appropriately.

It just allows you to hold more than 1 weapon in your hand! Not necessarily use them sillies.


That's not even a skill. Why would you hold 2 weapons if you cant use them?


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 Post subject: Re: We Gots The Skills
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the only use I could see is to throw multiple items very fast from the hand, but draw and throw is one action for small items anyway. Its not a skill to me. Juggling is pretty close and already in the book.

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 Post subject: Re: We Gots The Skills
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And if you're not using the items specified as 'weapons', but just holding them, why bother specifically saying weapons at all? Why not, say, -anything-, like wine glasses, or mops, or frisbees, or donuts(all of which could technically be weapons, depending on how you use them).
How about ANVILS? If I say I'm using anvils as weapons, can I hold more than one in my hand?
How about bazookas? Can I hold more than one bazooka in my hand? They're DEFINITELY weapons.

No. Because simply holding things would be more a measure of Physical Strength(Carrying) and/or Physical Prowess(Balancing). Neither of which is reflected in the multi-grip description.
If I'm actually constantly shifting things in my hand, then that's , as has been noted, -juggling-.

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 Post subject: Re: We Gots The Skills
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I took it to mean modern weapons and the ability to fire two at once, which would be impossible due to the kick most weapons have. You would break your hand. As far as ancient and melee weapons, yeah, juggling. I don't think you can throw multiple knives at once which would be the only multi-grip thing I can think of.

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 Post subject: Re: We Gots The Skills
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I took it to mean modern weapons and the ability to fire two at once, which would be impossible due to the kick most weapons have. You would break your hand. As far as ancient and melee weapons, yeah, juggling. I don't think you can throw multiple knives at once which would be the only multi-grip thing I can think of.


Well, maybe Batman; he's been shown on a number of occasions to accurately throw multiple Batarangs from between his fingers, but that would count as a good W.P. Small, Thrown proficiency.

But since it's been further defined by the author as simply HOLDING, well, that can be tested easily enough....try holding several pens between your fingers, then throwing them one at a time. Easy enough, and I didn't have to train myself specially to do that.
Now try holding two water pistols in one hand...or rather, full-scaled and weighted airlift pistols to approximate real firearms....It can be done if you dangle one from your little finger....but again, no special skill is needed. Holding them like you were meaning to use them as designed? That doesn't require a new skill, it requires mutant-long fingers, or smaller pistols.

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Now try holding two water pistols in one hand...or rather, full-scaled and weighted airlift pistols to approximate real firearms....It can be done if you dangle one from your little finger....but again, no special skill is needed. Holding them like you were meaning to use them as designed? That doesn't require a new skill, it requires mutant-long fingers, or smaller pistols.
I'm sure someone would try to fire two powerful handguns with one hand and the recoil would break their fingers. No skill is going to compensate for that.

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Now try holding two water pistols in one hand...or rather, full-scaled and weighted airlift pistols to approximate real firearms....It can be done if you dangle one from your little finger....but again, no special skill is needed. Holding them like you were meaning to use them as designed? That doesn't require a new skill, it requires mutant-long fingers, or smaller pistols.
I'm sure someone would try to fire two powerful handguns with one hand and the recoil would break their fingers. No skill is going to compensate for that.


D-bees or people with reinforced bones and joints, but that's a feat of physique, not a skill.

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Now try holding two water pistols in one hand...or rather, full-scaled and weighted airlift pistols to approximate real firearms....It can be done if you dangle one from your little finger....but again, no special skill is needed. Holding them like you were meaning to use them as designed? That doesn't require a new skill, it requires mutant-long fingers, or smaller pistols.
I'm sure someone would try to fire two powerful handguns with one hand and the recoil would break their fingers. No skill is going to compensate for that.


D-bees or people with reinforced bones and joints, but that's a feat of physique, not a skill.
Hmmm, I'm wondering now if anyone has done a reinforced joints power.

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D-bees or people with reinforced bones and joints, but that's a feat of physique, not a skill.
Hmmm, I'm wondering now if anyone has done a reinforced joints power.[/quote]

Eugenics superpowers has reinforced skeleton as an option; you get extra damage on punches and your bones are harder to break.
Same for reinforced endoskeleton from bionic enhancement.
You just need to limit the enhancement/Implants to the knuckles and wrist.
Reconfigurable Hands might make for a good Minor superpower, if somebody hasn't already done it.

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Reconfigurable Hands might make for a good Minor superpower, if somebody hasn't already done it.
Not that I'm aware of.

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Reconfigurable Hands might make for a good Minor superpower, if somebody hasn't already done it.
Not that I'm aware of.



Thing is, if you had such a power and used it to grow an extra, opposing hand from the same wrist, you could then hold two pistols side by side and fire them, or hold two swords, but I'd make the argument for that being a variant form of Multiple Limbs, with an automatic addition of WP Paired Weapons.

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Thing is, if you had such a power and used it to grow an extra, opposing hand from the same wrist, you could then hold two pistols side by side and fire them, or hold two swords, but I'd make the argument for that being a variant form of Multiple Limbs, with an automatic addition of WP Paired Weapons.
I already did a power somewhat like what you are describing, called Doublehanded. http://wiki.thedeificnmi.com/index.php? ... ublehanded

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Ah, then between Freakshow and Doublehandedness, the subject is well-covered. :bandit:

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Ah, then between Freakshow and Doublehandedness, the subject is well-covered. :bandit:
You might even say we have it well in hand. :lol:

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Ah, then between Freakshow and Doublehandedness, the subject is well-covered. :bandit:
You might even say we have it well in hand. :lol:


...I roll Amazing Nate's Facepalm skill....

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Ah, then between Freakshow and Doublehandedness, the subject is well-covered. :bandit:
You might even say we have it well in hand. :lol:


...I roll Amazing Nate's Facepalm skill....

Woot!

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keir451 wrote:
Amazing Nate; Thanks for your support!

Razzinold wrote:
And the award for best witty retort to someone reporting a minor vehicular collision goes to:
The Oh So Amazing Nate!

Nate, you sir win the internet for today! You've definitely earned the "oh so amazing" part of your name today. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: We Gots The Skills
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Woot!


Yep, near- failed and almost wound up doing the 'bowling ball grip' on my face. Then I remembered what my stated reaction to bad puns was, and I started polishing the flame-thrower.

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