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Do you Think it,s time for 3nd Edition Heroes Unlimied?
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Yes; 36%  36%  [ 5 ]
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Unread postPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:18 am
  

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Do you think it,s time for 3nd Edition Heroes Unlimited?

How would you set it up?


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Unread postPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 2:03 pm
  

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i'm starting to believe that the create a power option is probably the best way to do things. That said there's always going to be need for specific power concepts out there.


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I say there is need for an up to date common rulebook for all Palladium games with settign books containing setting specific rules, so I guess that woudl count as a third edition

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While I agree with Jefffar that the rules need some cleaning up. But that only needs something like what PB did with Rifts when they published the RGMG.

Does the game need to be more realistic with the rifts MWP rules.... Absolutely NOT! It is a hero game and the MWP rules are just fine for that.

Does it need to be the exactly the same game as Rifts, Another absolutely not. A common Rulebook would ruin the non-rifts games. Making them just parts of the Rifts game. The common rules are fine...published within each games' Core Book.....along with the game specific rules.

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Jefffar wrote:
I say there is need for an up to date common rulebook for all Palladium games with settign books containing setting specific rules, so I guess that woudl count as a third edition

I agree with Jeffar but I don't consider this a 3rd edition. I am afraid that if they do a true 3rd edition I'm afraid that the Megaverse, such as it is, will just fracture further.

Create a Palladium 2.0, primary rule system with everything you can cram in. Then start with one game, Heroes us actually a good one since it has magic, psionics, technology and super powers, and refine it then start adding more.

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While I agree with Jefffar that the rules need some cleaning up. But that only needs something like what PB did with Rifts when they published the RGMG.

Does the game need to be more realistic with the rifts MWP rules.... Absolutely NOT! It is a hero game and the MWP rules are just fine for that.

Does it need to be the exactly the same game as Rifts, Another absolutely not. A common Rulebook would ruin the non-rifts games. Making them just parts of the Rifts game. The common rules are fine...published within each games' Core Book.....along with the game specific rules.

I largely disagree with this. Just because there is a common rule set doesn't mean it becomes the same game.

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Unread postPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:37 am
  

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drewkitty ~..~ wrote:
While I agree with Jefffar that the rules need some cleaning up. But that only needs something like what PB did with Rifts when they published the RGMG.

Does the game need to be more realistic with the rifts MWP rules.... Absolutely NOT! It is a hero game and the MWP rules are just fine for that.

Does it need to be the exactly the same game as Rifts, Another absolutely not. A common Rulebook would ruin the non-rifts games. Making them just parts of the Rifts game. The common rules are fine...published within each games' Core Book.....along with the game specific rules.

I largely disagree with this. Just because there is a common rule set doesn't mean it becomes the same game.

Then you missed what I meant. And Yes, if all the rules are the same in game B and in game A. Then B is equal to A, then they are, in effect, the same game. PB is not GURPS.

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drewkitty ~..~ wrote:
Warshield73 wrote:
drewkitty ~..~ wrote:
While I agree with Jefffar that the rules need some cleaning up. But that only needs something like what PB did with Rifts when they published the RGMG.

Does the game need to be more realistic with the rifts MWP rules.... Absolutely NOT! It is a hero game and the MWP rules are just fine for that.

Does it need to be the exactly the same game as Rifts, Another absolutely not. A common Rulebook would ruin the non-rifts games. Making them just parts of the Rifts game. The common rules are fine...published within each games' Core Book.....along with the game specific rules.

I largely disagree with this. Just because there is a common rule set doesn't mean it becomes the same game.

Then you missed what I meant. And Yes, if all the rules are the same in game B and in game A. Then B is equal to A, then they are, in effect, the same game. PB is not GURPS.

First, from your earlier post what is MWP rules? I forgot to ask.

A common rule set doesn't mean the games are the same. Having a common set of say environmental rules so I have a set of penalties for moving in snow and how desert heat effects stats without going through 4 different books and getting 6 different set of rules (minor exaggeration, but only minor) would help players and GMs a lot. Combat already works mostly the same but a common set of penalties and bonuses all listed in one place can only help the individual games. Each game can add rules as necessary to what's in the common rules but games are not just rules, setting and character classes are far more important.

I am not looking for PB to be Gurps, I'm not even looking for it to be Savage Worlds but a little more streamlining and standardization wouldn't hurt.

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There was a poster...sometime in the last two years said he'd want to make all the games have all the same rules. Because he said they were not the same system was why people were bad mouthing the PB games. ....It was hard to move characters from game to game.... It was heated. esspecily when he called me a lier cause I pointed out the PB games were all the same system. (which they are.....just look at DND ed 3, ed 3.5, ed 4, ed 5 & pathfinder ed 1&2...they are all the same system even if they are different games.). So maybe I over reacted. But that other post wants to basically scrap all the games other than rifts and just make it all one game, with different settings.

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There is no need to modify the rules. HU2 has some of the best rules of all the Palladium games and does not need to be rewritten. While it is not the best organized, we do not need a new edition to clean up the rules and streamline them. All that would be needed is a set of books with everything organized and clarified. We all know that is never going to happen. Be happy with the game as is.

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Stone Gargoyle wrote:
snip... All that would be needed is a set of books with everything organized and clarified. We all know that is never going to happen. Be happy with the game as is.


Like having books about each individual Power Cat. ?

Sort of like how PB consolidated all of the bionics into one book for Rifts?

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Like having books about each individual Power Cat. ?

Sort of like how PB consolidated all of the bionics into one book for Rifts?
Yes. PB started doing it with some of the power categories but didn't follow through with all of them.

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gaby wrote:
Do you think it,s time for 3nd Edition Heroes Unlimited?

How would you set it up?


I thought that the latest edition WAS the third edition.

Lets see, there was Heroes Unlimited, then there was Heroes Unlimited revised, then came Heroes Unlimited 2nd Edition.

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NOOOOOooooo!!!!!

I have too much shelf space taken up by 1st & 2nd ed as is!

HOWEVER...if we were to see a working unified system for all games. I could deal with that.

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No to 3rd edition HU

The PB rpgs may have a bad rep due to the organization and rule inconsistancies between rulebooks, but adding a HU 3rd edition would probably anger just as many veteran players as it would please. More flame-wars across the Megaverse internet won't bring more players to the table.

Creating new content for use with the existing HU rulebook (and othet settings) has a better chance to bring more players, plus existing books (and their pdf versions) are readily available.

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Stone Gargoyle wrote:
drewkitty ~..~ wrote:
Like having books about each individual Power Cat. ?

Sort of like how PB consolidated all of the bionics into one book for Rifts?
Yes. PB started doing it with some of the power categories but didn't follow through with all of them.

Makes some space, toss the rifts books. That is sort of what I did.

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Stone Gargoyle wrote:
drewkitty ~..~ wrote:
Like having books about each individual Power Cat. ?

Sort of like how PB consolidated all of the bionics into one book for Rifts?
Yes. PB started doing it with some of the power categories but didn't follow through with all of them.

The problem with new HU books that expand on or outright replace the character classes that becomes a de facto 3rd edition and even more disorganized. I know because that is my situation.
In my games I:
- Replaced the education skill program system with a modified version
- Use Aliens Unlimited for Aliens character
- Use the Rifter versions of the Physical Training and all Special Training classes
- Major changes to Magical weapons and magic categories in Armageddon Unlimited

With all of this if we get a new Hardware book that replaces that class in the MB it will be almost useless to me and a lots of other people. If that book adds in robots and even bionics then the MB might as well be pulped (hyperbole).

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gaby wrote:
Do you think it,s time for 3nd Edition Heroes Unlimited?

How would you set it up?


I thought that the latest edition WAS the third edition.

Lets see, there was Heroes Unlimited, then there was Heroes Unlimited revised, then came Heroes Unlimited 2nd Edition.

This is correct but PB is horrible with this. Also, I believe right now that Heroes Unlimited MB is the second oldest MB of any active PB game line. 2nd only to Nightbane I believe.

But HU is not the only mess. Look at Rifts, there is the original and Ultimate Edition. This is why I always say the next version of the Palladium Megaverse needs to be a 2.0 so that all the games can start somewhat fresh.

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No to 3rd edition HU

The PB rpgs may have a bad rep due to the organization and rule inconsistancies between rulebooks, but adding a HU 3rd edition would probably anger just as many veteran players as it would please. More flame-wars across the Megaverse internet won't bring more players to the table.

Creating new content for use with the existing HU rulebook (and othet settings) has a better chance to bring more players, plus existing books (and their pdf versions) are readily available.

You are correct but this is unfortunately true of every book, film, and series in any fandom in existence right now.

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