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 Post subject: WP: Energy Blasts?
Unread postPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:31 am
  

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Are there rules somewhere for a WP: Energy Expulsion/Blast?

If not, has anyone made one? It seems weird that a blaster couldn't get more accurate as they leveled up but a gunman could.


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 Post subject: Re: WP: Energy Blasts?
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Seems to me characters would already be proficient in their blasts, so no.

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 Post subject: Re: WP: Energy Blasts?
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zerombr wrote:
Seems to me characters would already be proficient in their blasts, so no.


But they don't get better with them. I mean, sure, it could be they get a bonus to strike as they level up.

But what's the rationale behind allowing them to get better with a gun but not an energy blast?


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 Post subject: Re: WP: Energy Blasts?
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Tywyll wrote:
zerombr wrote:
Seems to me characters would already be proficient in their blasts, so no.


But they don't get better with them. I mean, sure, it could be they get a bonus to strike as they level up.

But what's the rationale behind allowing them to get better with a gun but not an energy blast?

If I recall the targeting bonus applies to stuff like this.
But I can't say if that is in a book someplace of if it is a house rule that has been around so long I'm conflating it with canon.

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 Post subject: Re: WP: Energy Blasts?
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I think it is a house rule, but one we have used. You had to practice with your eye blast or whatever to get the benefit, not just practice throwing darts and automatically improve your eye blast.

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 Post subject: Re: WP: Energy Blasts?
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I also house rule it. Generally I give it the same as WP Energy pistol/rifle.

But yes, the logic holds, that the longer you have your Energy Expulsion, the better you get at hitting what you're aiming at.

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 Post subject: Re: WP: Energy Blasts?
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I am reminded of a NPC presented in the GM Guide and one of the Rifters... I believe her name was Shock or something like that. If I remember correctly, she used her Secondary Skills to purchase proficiency in her powers, which did include an Energy Expulsion power. Don't remember the specifics of the character well enough (or have access to my books at the moment to double check), but I would suggest checking it out for ideas about this sort of idea.

She was in the adventure that involved her stealing the plans for an experimental power enhancer (though it only worked for energy related powers) and was using other villains to steal the plans and parts she needed to build them so that she could use them in an even bigger heist (on a government facility if I remember correctly).

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 Post subject: Re: WP: Energy Blasts?
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Razorwing wrote:
I am reminded of a NPC presented in the GM Guide and one of the Rifters... I believe her name was Shock or something like that. If I remember correctly, she used her Secondary Skills to purchase proficiency in her powers, which did include an Energy Expulsion power. Don't remember the specifics of the character well enough (or have access to my books at the moment to double check), but I would suggest checking it out for ideas about this sort of idea.

She was in the adventure that involved her stealing the plans for an experimental power enhancer (though it only worked for energy related powers) and was using other villains to steal the plans and parts she needed to build them so that she could use them in an even bigger heist (on a government facility if I remember correctly).

HU GMG page 123
I had totally missed that previously!
Yes, WP Super Power (one power) +1 to strike at 3,6,9,11

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 Post subject: Re: WP: Energy Blasts?
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The write up says she gave up three skills to gain profeciency in her powers, to get the bonuses.

It could be read that each super power WP needs 3 skills (Meaning 9 total)

Or..

That she gave up three skills and got the WP in each of her three powers in the exchange (3 skills total)

Thing is one of her powers is absorption. I'm not sure that needs a WP....

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 Post subject: Re: WP: Energy Blasts?
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Pepsi Jedi wrote:
The write up says she gave up three skills to gain profeciency in her powers, to get the bonuses.

It could be read that each super power WP needs 3 skills (Meaning 9 total)

Or..

That she gave up three skills and got the WP in each of her three powers in the exchange (3 skills total)

Thing is one of her powers is absorption. I'm not sure that needs a WP....


I'm thinking it's the former method, but one could try figuring out how many skills she should have vs how many she actually does have and thereby find out the correct method.


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 Post subject: Re: WP: Energy Blasts?
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The Beast wrote:
Pepsi Jedi wrote:
The write up says she gave up three skills to gain profeciency in her powers, to get the bonuses.

It could be read that each super power WP needs 3 skills (Meaning 9 total)

Or..

That she gave up three skills and got the WP in each of her three powers in the exchange (3 skills total)

Thing is one of her powers is absorption. I'm not sure that needs a WP....


I'm thinking it's the former method, but one could try figuring out how many skills she should have vs how many she actually does have and thereby find out the correct method.

Considering that the skill is identical to a standard WP (+1 to strike 4 times) it should be pretty obvious it does not cost three skill slots per selection...
Combined with some basic reading "gave up three skills to learn X for her Y" its pretty clear that she spent skill 1 for power 1, skill 2 for power 2 and skill 3 for power 3. Yes, this does mean she has +4 to strike with Absorption.

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 Post subject: Re: WP: Energy Blasts?
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Thing is it's NOT an ordinary thing. It's super powers, and not in the skills section so you simply don't know.

And I have basic reading but my point remains.

If it gives +4 to strike with absorption, would that be..

Draining a car battery or other inanimate object, via touch?
Discharging energy into an inanimate object , again via touch, (Neither of which require a roll to strike, as.. it's via touch and on an inanimate object)
The energy flash which is an area affect that specifically says you can't aim,
Glowing
Or the flash light??

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 Post subject: Re: WP: Energy Blasts?
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Pepsi Jedi wrote:
Thing is it's NOT an ordinary thing. It's super powers, and not in the skills section so you simply don't know.

ummm huh?
this is listed in her skills.
And it provides the identical bonus as most W.P.s
Ergo... it would appear to be, in point of fact... a skill.

Pepsi Jedi wrote:
And I have basic reading but my point remains.

My point was that it said "gave up three skills to gain proficiency in each of her three powers"
that is pretty explicit that you do X to get Y.
If it were the other way it would say "gave up nine skills to gain proficiency in each of her three powers" or "She gave up three skills each to gain proficiency with her 3 powers"
since it is saying "she paid X to gain Y" which is not a fraction. You do not pay ALL of X for only part of Y.

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If it gives +4 to strike with absorption, would that be..

Draining a car battery or other inanimate object, via touch?
Discharging energy into an inanimate object , again via touch, (Neither of which require a roll to strike, as.. it's via touch and on an inanimate object)
The energy flash which is an area affect that specifically says you can't aim,
Glowing
Or the flash light??


How about +4 to strike with her "Shoot light beam" which is a non AoE attack that has a special effect if you can make a called shot with it... with her PP bonus she is now looking at +5 to strike on her called shot. Assuming that "the face" is still -5 as found in the CoMW to strike that neatly puts her back at only needing to roll an 8+ instead of a 13+ to hit. I dunno about you, but I think that sounds like a pretty handy +4 strike bonus.

The +4 may (or may not) apply to strike rolls made to 'touch' something (I would personally say 'no' but who knows what the author intended)

We can pretty conclusively get the accurate cost simply by noting that she is not missing 9 skills as she has a fairly normal skill load out which would not be the case if she were missing two entire skill programs worth of skills. 23 to be exact.

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