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Unread postPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 5:34 pm
  

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Besides being in proximity of a Nega-Psychic, there hasn't been a printed spell or ability to either disrupt it or be invulnerable to a psionic attack?

I haven't checked any Rifters since I don't have most of them, but nothing I could see in Rifts worldbooks or sourcebooks. As well as the Book of Magic. I've seen spells that cancel spells or create an area effect like the Anti Magic Cloud, but nothing for psionics.

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Nightbane Between the Shadows has a psionic power to break through and disrupt mind blocks. But that's it in canon afaik.

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Unread postPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2022 10:16 am
  

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The Null Psiborg from the Rifts Mindwerks sourcebook has a disruption ability, as does the Sea Inquisitor from Rifts Underseas. Powers Unlimited 1 has the Minor Power: Immune to Psionics. Each of these are limited in different ways. An even more specific immunity is the Mind Bleeder power Impervious to Bio-Manipulation.

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Shamrock 'Slinger wrote:
Besides being in proximity of a Nega-Psychic, there hasn't been a printed spell or ability to either disrupt it or be invulnerable to a psionic attack?

I haven't checked any Rifters since I don't have most of them, but nothing I could see in Rifts worldbooks or sourcebooks. As well as the Book of Magic. I've seen spells that cancel spells or create an area effect like the Anti Magic Cloud, but nothing for psionics.

Thanks in advance!


Robots, golems, and other creatures that don't technically have a mind are impervious to most psionics.
Full Conversion Borgs are pretty impervious, IIRC.
I think the Advanced Crazies in Mutants In Orbit are impervious to psionics.
A high enough save bonus can render you effectively impervious to a LOT of stuff.
There's a TW Mind Block Helmet (or something like that).
That's all that comes to mind off the cuff.

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Unread postPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2022 12:03 am
  

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Didn't I just get chewed over "Group Mind Block"?
it isn't a spell, but it does to ALL psionics what Anti-magic cloud does to mages.

See here: viewtopic.php?f=39&t=183934

It can't be stopped, blocked, ignored, other powers don't trump it...
Group mind block...

The hugest pile of BULLSH rules I have ever read. As crimson comando noticed, the text of it makes everyone BLIND, DEAF, NUMB, and immune to communication...


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Unread postPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2022 8:14 am
  

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...if you read it blindly and don't acknowledge the intent rather than the exact wording. I don't know a single GM who does that or would even consider it working that way.


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Unread postPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:57 pm
  

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...if you read it blindly and don't acknowledge the intent rather than the exact wording. I don't know a single GM who does that or would even consider it working that way.


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Unread postPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2022 12:33 am
  

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The Null Psiborg had some pretty cool features.

I guess I'm particularly looking for a way to stop psionics from occurring in an area completely or not be affected by psionic attacks that aren't mind oriented. In my case, I'm trying to provide a challenge for a psi-slinger in the party. He's technically a gun master from the China book reflavored for New West, so he's able to use ISP to convert sdc bullets into mdc attacks. Having chosen 15mm rifle, he's able to do deal a ton of damage. This isn't to take away he ability, but provide a challenge for the encounter level, keep him on his toes. So far, I have really seen anything.

Most magic spells are also just impervious to energy and not kinetics, which is partially what his attacks would be and I guess powered by psionics.


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Unread postPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 6:51 am
  

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Shamrock 'Slinger wrote:
The Null Psiborg had some pretty cool features.

I guess I'm particularly looking for a way to stop psionics from occurring in an area completely or not be affected by psionic attacks that aren't mind oriented. In my case, I'm trying to provide a challenge for a psi-slinger in the party. He's technically a gun master from the China book reflavored for New West, so he's able to use ISP to convert sdc bullets into mdc attacks. Having chosen 15mm rifle, he's able to do deal a ton of damage. This isn't to take away he ability, but provide a challenge for the encounter level, keep him on his toes. So far, I have really seen anything.

Most magic spells are also just impervious to energy and not kinetics, which is partially what his attacks would be and I guess powered by psionics.

Group mind block should achieve what you are after. It prevents all psychics within its range from using any psionic abilities.

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Unread postPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 12:18 pm
  

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I could see Gizmoteers from New Babylon creating a item which emits a Group Mind Block. A few sources have rechargeable TW "grenades", which perhaps if fired via a telekinetic mortar would make the device viable at further than throwing range. Alternatively some sort of ectoplasmic adhesive could serve as a way to center the field on a moving target.

SA2 was written before RUE, and so the item creation method is entirely handwaved. Using the RUE TW rules an item at level 1 strength would have a 10 minute duration and be rather cheap.

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Unread postPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:32 pm
  

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Apparently, by Soldier of Od's house rule, (since his rule violates the stated exceptions and states effects of GMB, PF2 core book page 174) if a character uses Group Mind Block it will make every other char's psychic powers from working. Even though the GMB power does not say it does that.

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Unread postPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2022 10:18 pm
  

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It says it duplicates Mind Block. So it does. Your house rules still notwithstanding. The damn power even tells you that a badguy can use Group Mind block for villainous intent by doing precisely that.


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There's a whole other thread to discuss what exceptions may exist for group mind block, please feel free to discuss those there.

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Unread postPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:54 pm
  

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Actually My topic was to be about what psi powers that could be used by psychic while within the AoE of a Group Mind Block because the GMB only blocks certain types of powers. But is got highjacked. I really wish I could just delete all of my posts from that topic including the OP and the title because it was HiJacked by people who couldn't see around their own preconceptions of how MB and GMB works.

Warning: This post is both off topic to this thread and is trolling. You can debate the matter civilly in the thread in question or you can ignore the posts you don't like and carry on with your day. You don't get to disrupt other threads or accuse people of hijacking your thread just because they explained the way they believe a rule works.

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Unread postPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 9:57 pm
  

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Sorry for later replies for some of the answers in here.

I'm not sure if mind block or group mind block is what I'm looking for in the means of protection of psionic attacks in the sense of kinetic attacks not mind attacks. I don't meant to bring up a can of worms here with the threads that have opened around the abilities of group mind block.

I hoped to find something akin to Impervious to magic or energy but with psionic or kinetics replaced. Or cancellation in an area. It seems that protection against such attacks aren't really a thing unless it's due to a class ability or RCC maybe. Like something only vulnerable to magic attacks.

I do appreciate some of the answers here, they gave me somethings to mull over.


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Unread postPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 10:03 pm
  

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There's not really any psionic powers like that. There are some classes that have these abilities. Try the Nega-Psychic O.C.C. as one example. It's in either Mindwerks or Psyscape (I don't have my books handy and can't remember which one it was, lol).


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Unread postPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 10:14 pm
  

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It's definitely Psyscape!

Yeah, I figured I would try to see if people with a little more expanded knowledge on Palladium would have ideas.


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