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Unread postPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:20 pm
  

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For you Mad Eagle

The base save vs Insanity is found in the list of saving throws. Ussuly found in with the HTH terminology.

Basically when you the GM decide that the chars have seen something/experienced something that could bring forth/cause a insanity in the char you have them roll vs 12 on a d20. If they fail they ether get a Evil GM :demon: insanity, a random insanity, or a GM decided insanity. The ME insanity bonues table can be found in PFRPG 2nd ed and HU 2nd ed.

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Unread postPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:15 am
  

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Thanks Kitty :-D
Didn't me to cause such a stir in the last thread...
Found it!

Insanity is real roleplaying. Testing the limits of one's own can become a true epic of comedy and sadness. Unfortunately it happens all to often in the world in general and so many suffer.

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Unread postPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:19 am
  

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Oh I dont know, I used to know one homeless guy who was not only clearly insane, but rather enjoyed such a state.

He had the most interesting conversations with parked cars and parking meters. But they used their own language.

Half of them seem to also be excellent comedians.


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Unread postPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:29 am
  

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I don't think suffering is a bad thing. In fact I think it is the best learning tool we have. Like when we have a partner. We soon find what annoys us and what thrills us.

Sad is a point of relative view also. It is sad that the insane are put on drugs to quell the 'disruptive' behaviour that is the nature of the mind.

I personally think it is sick to lock people up 'For their own good'. Who has the right to control another when no one I have seen is able to control themselves? :x :x :x

And drugs? Society sux quite frankly. How to make us slaves... Sorry wrong thread!

Yeh, insanity is funny to a degree, but also very dangerous to those around the unstable.

And man, the voice inside your head is only a figment of sanity.

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Unread postPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:01 am
  

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On the subject of locking up the insane. Thats only really necessary in certain sitatuions.

Some of them are _VERY_ dangerous. Either to others, themselves or both.

Let me give you one example, the mother of a friend of mine used to work in one of these special care homes. There was one old guy, more or less harmless, and blind to boot.

A touch crazy too. The thing was, either he had no real family, or they just couldnt/didnt take care of him what ever. So he needed people to look after him. However he'd also just blindly wander wherever and seemed to lack any real sense of what he was doing.

On time he some how managed to get out through a locked window, on to the slated roof of the building by himself.

Now this building was a good 4 stories at least. So imagine then, if he'd walked off the roof before some one noticed him up there? He didnt even remember getting out there to begin with, and apparently didnt even know where he was by the time they got him down.

Such a situation he's mostly a danger simply to himself, but he could arguably have also fallen off the roof and onto some one else eh?

There's other cases where mentally imbalanced people have gone out and either killed, or gotten others killed, not just themselves.

So your faced with a problem. You have to do -something- about them, or they WILL bring harm to others in some cases. They'll even have an undeniable history of such events. And/Or they'll have proven at least that they'll bring harm to themselves at the very least if some one isnt taking care of them.

So what do you do? Do you just let them bring harm to themselves and/or others? I doubt it.

And since the generally considered ethical response isnt to just kill them (or let them kill themselves in some manner) then one MUST effectively lock them up to one extent or another.


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That's what I find sad about it.

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Ah ok yeah I see what you mean.

But then can you have good without evil? Joy without sadness? Pleasure without suffering? Without the other as a contrast, the other is arguably meaingless.


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There is no good or evil. There just is. We make it one sided when we judge from our limited conditioning. 'Things are not wrong, they are just not in their right place yet' - Tao.

I observe the how and why of things - not with a bias. Knowing right from wrong is only good for the creation of things. If we were to merely watch without sticking our nose in, then tolerence becomes greater.

Clearly all children are insane as they discover the world they are in. Only when we see and are aware of our actions do we measure ourselves in the light of right and wrong, good and evil, pleasure and pain, high and low, east and west, small and large. What is the difference?

There is none.

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Unread postPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:35 am
  

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There is allways a difference.

The difference is that I do not allways do as you do. Others never do as you do.

It all comes out of the debate of what is better and why, and thus who is right and wrong and so forth.

For example. What is the arguably better way of storing a cardboard box full of books?

To place it on a shelf in your basement, or to throw it in a lake in hopes no one will find it and steal it, for you to retrieve later.


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Unread postPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:31 am
  

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Scrud wrote:
:frazz: My Brain Hurts :frazz:


Good, your half way there then. When you hear an audible snap inside of your skull, our work is done.


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