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 Post subject: Multiple HtH/MAs
Unread postPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 8:50 am
  

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What benefit, if any, is there in taking multiple HtH fighting styles. I was under the impression that these bonuses never actually stacked between fighting styles.

and is there a hard limit to how many you can take, or can a player keep using skills selections until taking them all?


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 Post subject: Re: Multiple HtH/MAs
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There are two answers that are applicable across the PB game system to this...

➣A character can Only have One Hand to Hand. If the Char takes a new H2H, it fully replaces the old H2H.

➢The bonuses from Martial Arts Forms [MAF's] (N&S and MC) Do Not Stack-Combine with each other. All the bonuses remaining separate. Mostly the limit to how many a char can have is what class the char has (there is a very limited set of chars that can have multiple MAFs) and the number of years that char devoted to learning any MAFs.

➫The exception to these comes from Rifts China where there are a few Classes that can take a Rifts China mundane Fighting Form and take a Rifts China mystic Fighting Form. Since it's Rifts China, a almost separate game, the fighting forms from RC are limited to Rifts China chars.
(Note that the Rifts China mystic Fighting Forms can be conceded to be Psionic Fighting Form due to the fact that they use ISP.)

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 Post subject: Re: Multiple HtH/MAs
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Depending on what you are playing, there is a 3rd possibility that Drewkitty didn't bring up. In the Fantasy 1E game, there was a form of HtH for non-men of arms O.C.C.s and all other forms of HtH skill were specific to the various forms of men of arms. If you started out as a Mind Mage with the non-men of arms HtH and then at some point later became a Soldier, you would have both forms of HtH. In that case, you would use whichever bonus was higher. Soldiers have a faster progression (and higher cap) on attacks per melee, a wider critical hit chance, the ability to stun, and higher bonuses to damage. However, in that system, it is pretty dependent on what O.C.C.s (and related HtH skills) you have picked up. There might be a pretty extensive improvement as the second HtH skill leveled up, or the difference might be pretty small.


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 Post subject: Re: Multiple HtH/MAs
Unread postPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2021 6:58 am
  

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In addition to Kraynic's comments, I have always assumed the same goes for Palladium Fantasy second edition. If your first O.C.C. had Hand to Hand: Assassin at level 4, and then you change O.C.C.s to Merchant and get Hand to Hand: Basic, at level one your +2 to pull punch and roll will add nothing, as you already had +3 from H to H: Assassin, but at level two you will get a +2 to parry and dodge that you didn't previously have. Hand to Hand combat skills aren't specifically mentioned in the rules for changing O.C.C.s in High Seas, but this fits with the rules on duplicate skills and O.C.C. bonuses - the player draws from both, and uses the higher of the two when a bonus is repeated. Hope that helps.


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 Post subject: Re: Multiple HtH/MAs
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Sohisohi wrote:
What benefit, if any, is there in taking multiple HtH fighting styles.


The advantage is that you can change styles depending on situation, as different styles have different bonuses and maneuvers and such.
You can see this happen in old Kung Fu movies, where two guys will square off, fight for a bit, then one of them will say something like "Ah, your kung fu is strong! But can you defeat my Drunken Mantis style?" Then the other dude starts to lose, but realizes that he can counter Drunken Mantis by switching to Big Willie Style or whatever.

In game terms, a character might have one style that has poor defense, but lots of attacks, and another style that has excellent defense, but only 1-2 attacks per melee.
So in situations where defense isn't as big of an issue, like fighting a single opponent who doesn't have high defensive bonuses, the character could use the more aggressive style, and dispatch the opponent more quickly.
But if 2-3 of the enemy's friends show up, the character might have to switch to his defensive style just to hold his own until his own friends show up to help.

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 Post subject: Re: Multiple HtH/MAs
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Kraynic wrote:
Depending on what you are playing, there is a 3rd possibility that Drewkitty didn't bring up. ...snip

And I didn't bring up any PF1 rules cause they are not a part of the current canon.

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 Post subject: Re: Multiple HtH/MAs
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drewkitty ~..~ wrote:
And I didn't bring up any PF1 rules cause they are not a part of the current canon.


And yet people are still using those rules in games today, and the hardcover reprint of that set of rules is (so far) being released for sale later this month.

I wasn't attacking your post, simply adding to it.


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 Post subject: Re: Multiple HtH/MAs
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Kraynic wrote:
drewkitty ~..~ wrote:
And I didn't bring up any PF1 rules cause they are not a part of the current canon.


And yet people are still using those rules in games today, and the hardcover reprint of that set of rules is (so far) being released for sale later this month.


I wasn't attacking your post, simply adding to it.



And you presented the PF1 situation as if it was a part of the current cannon. Which PF1 is not. Which is why I said my supplemental text as I did.
(*points at self* is OCD about words. so I might of picked up some subtext that was there unintentionally.)

It had nothing to do with people preference for the old version of the PF RPG game over the current version of the game.

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 Post subject: Re: Multiple HtH/MAs
Unread postPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2021 7:17 pm
  

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drewkitty ~..~ wrote:
And you presented the PF1 situation as if it was a part of the current cannon. Which PF1 is not. Which is why I said my supplemental text as I did.
(*points at self* is OCD about words. so I might of picked up some subtext that was there unintentionally.)

It had nothing to do with people preference for the old version of the PF RPG game over the current version of the game.


It doesn't matter whether it is "part of the current cannon". As far as I can tell, the OP has not specified which system/setting they are running. Any answer that applies to the Palladium system is absolutely valid, and may apply to what they run now or in the future.


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 Post subject: Re: Multiple HtH/MAs
Unread postPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2021 9:43 pm
  

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Sorry you feel that way, but not answering the questions with the canon answer is just telling people your house rule about something. No matter how to fram it in retoric to make it look nice.

And now, that we have gone through our stances we can just drop the argument cause arguing over this would just confuse any newb who might read this.

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 Post subject: Re: Multiple HtH/MAs
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drewkitty ~..~ wrote:
Sorry you feel that way, but not answering the questions with the canon answer is just telling people your house rule about something. No matter how to fram it in retoric to make it look nice.

And now, that we have gone through our stances we can just drop the argument cause arguing over this would just confuse any newb who might read this.


I guess I don't see how stating a published rule is equal to stating a houserule. I was totally up front with which system it came from.


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